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Old Oct 5, 2010 | 08:56 AM
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If you want to go the Procharger route listen to Blown06 he pretty much covered everything. But I would not rule a TVS 1900 for what you are wanting I believe it would be the better route and is a more complete kit.
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Old Oct 7, 2010 | 02:54 AM
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Bad Apple makes a good point about considering a magnacharger for a couple reasons. They do sell a very complete kit compared to prochargers stuff. What I'm trying to say is that procharger will sell you a kit with fuel upgrades and I think a handheld tuner or something like that but it's garbage. The fuel/tune upgrades that come with the magnacharger stuff seem to work much better for mild combos. This fact makes the maggie's a more practical choice to the mild enthusiast looking to bolt on and go. Also, those blowers will tend to made a ton more off idle and mid-range torque, which is a good thing if your truck is extremely heavy and/or you plan on towing. The magnachargers are probably easier on belts too (unless I tell you some secrets).

The downside that I see with the magnachargers is price, more complicated install and power limitations (I'm gonna get flamed for this one).

Last time I checked you can get a polished D1sc kit with the 3-core intercooler for about $5k not including the fuel/tune stuff. I heard that a complete TVS2300 is over $7k. By the time your done buying fuel system upgrades and a custom tune, you could probably save quite a bit going the procharger route.

The magnacharger stuff requires that you basically swap the entire intake system which makes the install slightly more complicated and more time consuming. The procharger stuff literally just bolts to the front of the motor. Mount the intercooler, run the pipes and your done.

Now to the power situation. ***I'm basing this off of what I've seen on this and other websites and also word of mouth from others. I don't have any experience with the magnacharger stuff, so take this as you will or until someone proves me wrong.***

As I stated earlier, off idle (1500-3000 rpm) performance with the maggies completely destroys that of any centri blower (street applications). This can be a good or bad thing depending on traction or the specific intentions of the vehicle.

Mid-range (3000-4500 rpm) power.................I'm gonna say this is a toss up depending on the pulley combo of either. I've got data logs of my D1sc making 7psi at 3400 rpm which is pretty good for a centri. The centri blower's boost curve goes up with rpm but not in a linear fashion. The slope of the curve also goes up as rpm goes up which makes the power feel like its coming on much like a 2-stroke dirtbike motor. Where as, the magnacharger reaches full boost very quick (probably by 2500 rpm) and just stays there. To take advantage of the boost curve of a centri, your gonna need a converter with a lot more stall speed.

If your looking to make comparable topend (4500rpm and up) horsepower numbers with a D1sc turning approximately 80-85%, you'll need to jump right into the 2300 (jackshaft drive w/rear cog) with a pretty radical pulley combo which would probably require and upgrade to the 90mm tb and j-tube and an 8-rib pulley setup. Spin the D1sc 100-105% and kiss the maggies goodbye.

Want your cake and eat it too.........................

Pulley a D1sc to spin about 105% and put a wastegate with electronic controller in the intake tract. I've heard of several people doing this with quite a bit of success. To spin the D1sc to this speed reliably you'll need to upgrade to 8-rib pulleys, a bad mf'n tensioner, Reichard Racing blower pulley, a Gates green belt, and a couple small tricks. These parts new (not including the wastegate and controller) will run you about $1500. This would be an awesome and reliable pump gas/meth set up with the wastegate set to open at about 15 psi. Couple that with a 4000 stall converter and traction................damn somebody needs to try this combo.

To address some of your comments in post #10:

A 215/220 cam aint gonna sound real nasty. If you want a good sounding cam that would be a decent dd, try something in the 226/230 range. It'll need a converter to work good and mileage will suffer accordingly.

If you can't find a tuner in your area I see two options. 1. Make a 1-2 day appointment with a good out of town tuner, take some time off work and trailer down there. You can drive, they can tune and your good to go. Maybe see if they'll do it on a Thursday/Friday and see if they'll go to the track with you to nail down WOT tuning. 2. Buy the tuning software and an A/F ratio gauge. Make a deal with someone who knows WTF is up and you can tune it via email. Tuner sends you a tune, you load it, scan the vehicle with specific driving instructions given by the tuner, send the log file and repeat. This process is obviously more time consuming and can be a pain in the ***, but it will also greatly speed up your learning curve on the software if you ever had ambitions of tuning on your own. I've done this for a few guys and it actually worked out pretty good. If you can't find anyone willing to cooperate or that you trust, give me a call. Maybe we can work something out.

Here I go rambling again...............this hotel living is getting old.
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Old Oct 7, 2010 | 04:15 PM
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Man I feel like Im back in college listen to a instructor lecture hahaa... Well atleast this subject keeps my attention and my A.D.D. dont kick in.

Like Blown said they both have there ups and downs you just got go with whats going to be more practical for your set-up.
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Old Oct 10, 2010 | 03:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Bad_Apple
Man I feel like Im back in college listen to a instructor lecture hahaa... Well atleast this subject keeps my attention and my A.D.D. dont kick in.
Lmao true that lol i get A.D.D. like a **** but this keeps my full attention hahaha.

Back to Blown06's post lol

Well i think the Procharger will suit my needs(ok fine wants ) but is there anything i could do to help the low end power? Right now my 6.0 pretty much has no power until i hit around 2600 to 3000 RPMs so it acts like a 2 stroke waiting to hit the powerband haha.

Just bout the only place i could think of that could do the tuning is Sheid's diesel in Terre Haute. They do a lot of performance stuff with diesels so i'm sure they do custom tunes and stuff, but they probaly wont like my **** on diesel sticker on my back glass lmao I was talkin to my step brother tonight and i guess he found a guy in ohio somewhere like 4 hours away from us that does dyno tunes and EFI Live so i might be able to get him to go with and get his dirtymax done and my vmax so it wouldn't be so bad then.

Yea im thinkin that 226-230 would be ok i was plannin on throwin a 3000 stahl in anyways so i would think that'll be fine. As soon as i get my other truck back from my brother i'm not gonna drive my 07 much cause its at almost 41000 miles and i wanna keep that low so i'm not really that worried bout mileage i mean i dont wanna get lik 5 but i'm averaging 16.3 with the dod and a superchips tune so i got some room to go down lol.

btw i like your hotel living cause you get bored and give me great info lmfao
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Old Oct 10, 2010 | 03:34 AM
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beware of diesel tuners tuning on gas, especially with fi. Its a totally different world.
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Old Oct 10, 2010 | 04:43 AM
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i was afraid you'd say that.... damn diesels...
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Old Oct 22, 2010 | 02:45 PM
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Thanks for the great info on going blown. I am in the process of trying to decipher what all I need to get to make my truck powerful, stable, while still maintaining good street characteristics. I am taking notes over here!
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