But you guess what weight reduction they've done. I know there are some EC guys that are doing some things to get their weight well below 5000lbs. I'm sure there are a lot of the RC guys that are close to 4000lbs too. Every timeslip list I've seen on other forums has a weight column. If they don't know or can't make an educated guess on their weight, then that's how credible thier time is.