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Old Oct 22, 2009 | 03:37 PM
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Originally Posted by BlackGMC
IMO, buy the software, spend the next 6-12months screwing up your tune and reading about billion threads, then on the 13th month you should be going pretty good...



Honestly EFI Live and a wideband were my first mods i bought for my truck... If i could go back i would have bought it again first....

Yeah and the big thing is all the mods that are done to a car or truck whether it is cam, heads, or even a simple cold air intake aren't worth a damn without being tuned right for those mods.
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Old Oct 22, 2009 | 03:40 PM
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+1 for a tune, I wouldn't suggest a handheld unless you were driving a duramax. Just my opinion.
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Old Oct 22, 2009 | 09:07 PM
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What about warranty? The sponcer said you can flash his to the stock configuration when going back to the dealer, does this mean that the hand held will affect my warranty if I use it and don't flash it? can it be picked up by On Star and reported to GM? What about the custom tunes will they be the same way? Will I need to have two computers, one for the custome tune and one for the dealer? Can Onstar see these? Will Onstar work with them?

the 2-3 MPG gain claimed by the sponcer, has anyone done this and does it work......can you get that from the hand held? Can you get the same from the custom tunes?

My truck has about 1200 miles on it, we are keeping onstar sin e the wife drives it and we live in a very rule area i like the fact that it has crash detection and the cell phone it works better than anything we have in some areas. She wants the onstar left alone and still on......only thing I have to live with but I like it also.
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Old Oct 22, 2009 | 10:30 PM
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They can tell when any tune has been swapped in or out, regardless of handheld or custom tune.
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Old Oct 22, 2009 | 10:35 PM
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Originally Posted by 00ChevyScott
They can tell when any tune has been swapped in or out, regardless of handheld or custom tune.
correct. The new trucks have programming in place to tell when a non GM spec tune has been flashed.
I THINK it can also tell when the PCM has been changed because they made the BCM tattle.
Swapping the PCM and flashing the used one would be good if you want to try that route but flashing the stock one will Definitely be known if they check.

However, they usually will not check unless you break a hard part. which is engine or transmission and likely the Rearend.

I can't remember what field bulletin it was but you can google the warranty information and find it.
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Old Oct 22, 2009 | 10:44 PM
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Swapping PCMs won't work either because of mileage changes and dates. I believe the PCM keeps records of a lot of that stuff. Or at least I think I remember reading it in the GM tech bulletin about diesel trucks coming in for warranty.
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Old Oct 22, 2009 | 10:55 PM
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Originally Posted by 00ChevyScott
Swapping PCMs won't work either because of mileage changes and dates. I believe the PCM keeps records of a lot of that stuff. Or at least I think I remember reading it in the GM tech bulletin about diesel trucks coming in for warranty.
Okay. I thought i had read something like that but wasn't 100%
so there you go.
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Old Oct 22, 2009 | 10:58 PM
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Originally Posted by 00ChevyScott
Swapping PCMs won't work either because of mileage changes and dates. I believe the PCM keeps records of a lot of that stuff. Or at least I think I remember reading it in the GM tech bulletin about diesel trucks coming in for warranty.
Diesel trucks do track history of changes to the ECM, gasoline trucks do not as of yet. The ECM is capable of doing so, but it has not been implemented as of yet.
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Old Oct 22, 2009 | 10:59 PM
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Originally Posted by dc_justin
Diesel trucks do track history of changes to the ECM, gasoline trucks do not as of yet. The ECM is capable of doing so, but it has not been implemented as of yet.
Is that up to date info, or pre 09 stuff? I wonder why they would pick only diesel trucks to do that to.

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Old Oct 22, 2009 | 11:08 PM
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Originally Posted by 00ChevyScott
Is that up to date info, or pre 09 stuff? I wonder why they would pick only diesel trucks to do that to.

GM is
It is really easy to make huge power and break things with a diesel truck. You have to be pretty negligent to break something on a relatively stock gas engine (one that would be considered warranteeable).

Close friend's 2008 LMM with no boost level changes... 499ft-lbs stock, 849ft-lbs is where it ran out of fuel rail. That Allison would be in a world of hurt.



#PIP4386: Identifying Aftermarket Engine Calibrations - (Apr 8, 2008)


Subject: Identifying Aftermarket Engine Calibrations


Models: 2005-2009 GM Passenger Cars and Light Duty Trucks

except Pontiac Vibe, Chevy Aveo, and All Saab Models

------------------------- ------------------------- ------------------------- -
The following diagnosis might be helpful if the vehicle exhibits the
symptom(s) described in this PI.

Condition/Concern:
A dealer may have the need to verify engine calibrations. If a dealer feels an aftermarket power-up calibration has induced engine and/or drive train damage, there is now a way to verify what calibration is currently in the vehicle.
If a suspicious hard part failure is observed in the engine, transmission,
transfer case, or driveline, perform the calibration verification described
to determine if a non GM issued engine calibration is installed. Non GM
issued engine calibrations subject driveline components to stresses
different than those that these components were validated to. Repairs to
transmission, transfer case and / or other driveline components where a non GM engine calibration has been verified, are not covered under the terms of the New Vehicle Warranty.

Recommendation/Instructions:
Instructions for confirming Calibration Verification Number (CVN)
• Go to TIS2WEB

• Select Calibration Information (SPS Info)

• Enter VIN

• Select "Get Cal ID"

• Select ECM Engine Control Module

• Hit "next"

• Select "Complete History"

• Print

Take Printout to Vehicle along with Tech II
• Plug in Tech II

• Go to diagnostics and build the vehicle

• Select Powertrain

• Select the engine

• Select F0 - Engine Control Module

• Select F4/F5 - I/M information System / Module ID information*

• Select F1

• Compare the calibration ID and Calibration Verification Numbers
(CVN) to the Calibration Verification Numbers (CVN) on the printout.

* This step may vary by controller; use the Module ID Information in the
Engine Controls.

Although the part numbers will be the same for each, it's the CVN that will
determine if the calibration is GM issued.

If ALL of the CVN's are EXACTLY the same, the calibration is GM issued.

If the part numbers match and ANY calibration verification numbers (CVN's) do not match the printout, it is likely that a non GM certified calibration has been installed.

In order to document the case - a CLEAR digital picture should be taken of
the TECH 2 screen showing the VIN and the CVN's that do not match the
TIS2WEB printout. The picture and a PDF copy of the TIS2WEB printout should be forwarded to jay.dankovich@GM.com for verification along with the VIN and the reason the vehicle is currently in for service. Please copy your GM Area Service Manager (DVM/DSM) on the e-mail. GM will verify if the CVN's are not GM issued and respond via e-mail within 48 hours.

If both the Part numbers and the CVN are different, photograph the part
numbers and CVN's on the tech 2 screen as described above, assuring the VIN shows clearly in the photograph of the TECH2 screen, and check to see if the vehicle has the latest released calibration. If the latest released calibration is not installed in the vehicle, the part numbers will not match, and the CVN's won't either. E- mail the original Part Numbers and CVN's found in the vehicle on the TECH 2 to: jay.dankovich@GM.com to check if the calibration and CVN matches a previous release. Recalibrate with the latest released cal and re-check against the part numbers and CVN's that are released.


Please follow this diagnostic or repair process thoroughly and complete eachstep. If the condition exhibited is resolved without completing every step, the remaining steps do not need to be performed.
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