To go into more detail, this program will have a memory system and that memory system will log the last 10 tunes (updates) that was put into the computer so your dealer will see this b/c you changed your fueling, spark advance, etc (there are parimeters they are looking for) and can deny you warranty work.

Getting another pcm would work but must have the correct VIN number installed in the program so you will need a dealer to do that for ya.

 

I can't see any of the two admitting what their plans are at this point. I do see the software prices coming down though. Or at the very least, more creative purchases and marketing. Not much fun in paying that much money for something you eventually won't be able to use on new stuff.

I always figured GM "secretly" didn't give a rats ***, they have enough intel to realize what 75% of vette owners have been up to since OBDII. Let alone the crazy surge in truck performance. I am surprised to see one particular instance cause such attraction to such a secure solution. I mean...DUH! like people haven't been doing this. I mean for crying out loud, HELLO...Hypertech has been around longer than some of you have been driving. Too me it seems more of a "warranty fraud" fix than anything. I get the emissions deal, but it doesn't make sense for such strict "rolling code" and blah blah all because some dumb *** was trying to get his crap fixed under warranty. Shame on whomever was tuning that vehicle. LOL

 

This is already done in several production pcm's from GM that both we & efi support.

 

I apologize, it sounded like you were implying what others have in other threads which is when will hp or efi find a way to erase the tune counter or otherwise which is not something we are going to be looking into.

-Bill

 

So just flash your ecm 10 times with the stock tune and the memory should show 10 stock files then....maybe.

 

That is the point.... WHY, unless you have a chity dealership that won't warranty a wiper motor because you "tuned" it, then ya, you got to find away around it. But if you blow the trans after a supercharger install. G.M/dealership shouldn't have to pay for it...

 

Some dealerships(if they put it on) will warranty a Magancharger install and not hurt the existing warranty on the truck.

 

If this is true, and the computer will become useless to a tuner after 10 burns, it will hurt the aftermarket greatly and eventually hurt GM's sales. Much of their new sales are due to the great aftermarket support. If they don't have a solution to after warranty mods then their sales will suffer IMO.

foff667 - Is the new changes to the computer's why the 07 TB SS's have to have a full re-write each time you load a tune?

 

It is my understanding that the 2007 Vehicles does not have this yet. Only the 2007.5 LMMs have it.

 

I firmly believe that if my changes caused a failure then I should not expect warranty coverage period. Having said that, I realize there are many that would have not problem blowing up their motor and expecting a replacement. I think GM needs some method to validate warranty claims. I'm just worried it will turn into a fiasco of he said she said. Magnuson-Moss act states they have to prove the added part caused the failure but in reality, the dealer has to agree with that statement and that can be a PITA.

For me I think the bottom line is keep talking to the same tech I've dealt with at the dealership and get on good terms with him. The first time I met him, I spent about 20 minutes while he updated my truck the night I was picking it up. Talked about the tune and mods I did to my Tahoe. He gave me a tip on the GMT900's and tole me to shut it off for 60 seconds after any changes because he has had trouble with some taking the programming if shut off sooner. He ended up telling the salesman he really enjoyed talking with me and he thought I knew as much or more than some of their techs. I'm thinking this might be the start of a wonderful relationship where I can bench race with him about all the mods I'm thinking of putting on and he can make sure we don't have any warranty issues