Electricians
#11
I have seen a breaker break down over time and get weak. It wouldn't allow full voltage to pass and caused wierd things like you described to happen. It would also trip at the drop of a hat. However, you had votlage everywhere, just not enought to run more then a simple light bulb.
I would turn off the breaker, and start looking through what they had worked on, there is no telling what it could be.
I did work as an electrician for a bit, but not alot.
I have more then once worked on ceiling lights and such after only turning off the wall switch, I always keep tape over the switch to make it obvious to those walking though not to mess with it while I am working. By doing so, most of the time you avoid working by flashlight, you can have a lamp plugged in.
I would turn off the breaker, and start looking through what they had worked on, there is no telling what it could be.
I did work as an electrician for a bit, but not alot.
I have more then once worked on ceiling lights and such after only turning off the wall switch, I always keep tape over the switch to make it obvious to those walking though not to mess with it while I am working. By doing so, most of the time you avoid working by flashlight, you can have a lamp plugged in.
Last edited by cttandy; Feb 25, 2009 at 08:25 PM.
#12
IF you are absolutely correct about the outside light being on the smae breaker, basically you need to forward track the porch feed. It has to be the beginning if it is the only thing working on that circuit. Find the last receptacle that is working (if there are any), pull it out and make sure it's all together. Then the next. They are "stab lock" style and the old stab locks are almost worthless. A good jolt of power going through could be all that is needed to break the weak connection.
Also, those receptacles could be fed through the ceiling box (or switch box, depending on where it goes through at), make sure the feed was not mistakenly not hooked up. A short can also blow out shitty wire nut connections.
No, it's not possible to have a breaker half working and only feeding some of the stuff and not the rest. If you have one thing working you can usually find the problem quickly. If you have multiple items working then it just takes a moment to find the end of the "working" items.
Also, those receptacles could be fed through the ceiling box (or switch box, depending on where it goes through at), make sure the feed was not mistakenly not hooked up. A short can also blow out shitty wire nut connections.
No, it's not possible to have a breaker half working and only feeding some of the stuff and not the rest. If you have one thing working you can usually find the problem quickly. If you have multiple items working then it just takes a moment to find the end of the "working" items.
what he said here he true about the "stab lock" push in connections on the back of receptacles, they were notorious for burning off (due to a loose connection the first place). go to the panel box turn off the breaker they tripped today and go up stairs and try to turn on the porch switch if you have no light obviously the porch light is on the circuit and would most likely be the first load on the circuit, when you go back to the breaker box to turn the breaker on lightly go down through every breaker and wiggle it a little to make sure none others are tripped (if the breaker handle has play in it then its tripped), ive seen many breakers look like they are on until you touch them and they are loose!
About breakers half working: breakers are either on/off/tripped, alot of the time electricians would run two wires off of one breaker, which would enable them to run power in different directions on the same circuit! possible you have a burnt wire at the breaker.
If i had to make a guess just by gathering your info, i would say you have a burnt neutral/hot wire in one of the receptacles or under a wire nut!
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Ugh I'm going to have to go back and read this slower to fully understand what your saying. But i'm sure I can get it, I just breezed through most of it for now.
I'm 100% positive the porch light is on the same breaker cuz when you flip the breaker off, the porch light goes out as well. I've been making sure the breaker stays off for now cuz i haven't had a chance to do much diagnosing at this point.
Thanks for all the help so far.
I'm 100% positive the porch light is on the same breaker cuz when you flip the breaker off, the porch light goes out as well. I've been making sure the breaker stays off for now cuz i haven't had a chance to do much diagnosing at this point.
Thanks for all the help so far.
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I used to have a ticker but haven't been able to find it. I can make one if i need to. I'm going to look into it being the beginning of the circuit, I think there is 1 other outlet before that switch that is on that same breaker, I'm going to check that outlet with the breaker on/off. If it works and is on the breaker then the problem is definitely at the switch. I looked around in the switches for some bad wires but didn't take them out. The switches are new so I may need to take the sheet rock off in that spot.
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I'd be willing to bet you don't need to take any sheet rock off. Your problem is in a box somewhere.
When the breaker blew due to the bad wired chain pull, did you guys clear it and turn the power back on or did you do all the switch replacements, rewire this and that and then turn the power back on? I ask because almost 99% of the time the fault is not what you think, but a wire that you didn't put back correctly. If you cleared the chain pull and turned power back on and you had problems, then yeah, you need to find a loose or burnt connection. But if it worked before you started replacing stuff, then something is wired incorrectly.
Same theory as our trucks. Do a bunch of mods at once and it makes it very hard to troubleshoot a problem, you place to many variables into play.
When the breaker blew due to the bad wired chain pull, did you guys clear it and turn the power back on or did you do all the switch replacements, rewire this and that and then turn the power back on? I ask because almost 99% of the time the fault is not what you think, but a wire that you didn't put back correctly. If you cleared the chain pull and turned power back on and you had problems, then yeah, you need to find a loose or burnt connection. But if it worked before you started replacing stuff, then something is wired incorrectly.
Same theory as our trucks. Do a bunch of mods at once and it makes it very hard to troubleshoot a problem, you place to many variables into play.





