I finally watched the video. It's ******* stupid. Conspiratards at their finest.

Not everyone grieves the same, it's idiotic to determine that someone is full of **** because they aren't crying. One of my best friends killed himself in a bike accident about 6 years ago. It was all over the news, went to the wake, funeral etc. We smiled, laughed, told jokes, it wasn't until days later it really hit me.

I don't know much about the internet and how to set up websites, but there has to be some explanation to the date mixup on the donation page.

chasing a guy down in the woods? Yeah, no ****. anyone within the vicinity is going to be chased down right outside a school that just got shot up. Lets say a guy is ******* around in the woods, hears a bunch of shots, goes to investigate, sees a fuckload of cops, gets spooked and takes off. They see him, chase him down and cuff him. Not at all an unreasonable explanation.

I wasn't there, I don't know what happened, but shooting kids in the face, or even faking it is pretty goddamn low down and dirty, even for a government.

I'm willing to bet, every point made it that video can be explained in some way other than conspiracy bullshit.

 

Wrestling With Details of Noah Pozner's Killing

 

good point.

and now I'm hearing Obama plans to have children all around him as he addresses us about his gun control plans.

and they say the NRA, gun makers & owners are exploiting this?

 

"A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government."
- George Washington

Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."
- Benjamin Franklin

I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery."
- Thomas Jefferson

"The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws of such a nature. They disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes.... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man."
- Thomas Jefferson

 

To clarify, I am not saying a conspiracy is impossible, but I can't possibly wrap my head around something like this. 9/11 was terrible, but this is the single worst incident, IMO, that has happened in the US since I have been alive.

 

Watch the videos from Columbine and then watch the videos from Sandy Hook. The panic, fear, and urgency isn't there in the Sandy hook videos.

I don't want it to be true, but at this point, it's not anything I'm ruling out.


I do know about the internet, and how to set up websites, and facebook as well. There are no date mixups on page dates or times cached. The only thing that could cause this, is that the timestamps are changed for the timezone the the person is in.

No matter what time I do something in the central time zone, it's not going to say that I did it an hour ago as soon as I post it to people on the east coast. That is the one thing of this story that I feel actually gives it some credibility. If you create a site, especially on facebook, the timestamp on that will never show BEFORE the page was created, it may show after if there is a queing issue with the site, and it's actually created later. When something is cached, (say by google). The time that the site is cached is a snapshot of the site at that time.

I can see timestamps being wrong, but only wrong to the future, not to the past.

 

This is copy/paste from another forum



Since no one has really taken the time to debunk this here you go:
First off I want to note - the main contributor of information in this video and around this conspiracy is Alex Jones. He is, in my opinion, a paranoid nutjob, as was pretty evident by his CNN interview - seriously skip to 3 minutes in and tell me this guy is sane. (My intent here is not ad hominem, just wanted to give some context as to the presenters of these "facts" and their origins) Now that that's out of the way let's look at the content of the video...

Theory 1: The first thing the video tries to allege is that there is a second shooter. They love to grab early media footage and then use that as "evidence" of their claims, as if the media's first reporting is somehow golden. Odd that conspiracy theorists distrust the media, then turn around and use its raw reporting claims as evidence. Anyway, you can easily google and figure out who the guy in the woods was.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...&v=Y6C2YmOLWnM
He is the father of a student there and the athletic director at the highschool. He was on his way to the school to help make gingerbread houses with 1st graders when he heard the shots. He was unarmed, arrested, detained, questioned, and let go. The story of the guy in the woods was a dead end, so the media dropped it. That is the problem with the 24 hour news cycle, they will report any lead they get before sorting out facts. However, this is hardly evidence of a conspiracy.
The video even makes the ridiculous claim that since the guy was sitting in the FRONT of the police car, that he must have some "crazy" credentials. Yeah, what is more likely...that this guy was a concerned father or that he was a man with some "crazy" credentials on a black ops mission to shoot up a school but he just didn't have the skills to properly vacate, and so he ended up getting himself captured by lowly local law enforcement, AND broadcast on national tv, potentially exposing his super secret black op? C'mon.

Theory 2: The gun discrepancy. This can be chalked up to contradictory reporting, which is going to happen when the media competes with itself to be the first one to break any new details. There have already been articles clearing up the discrepancies:
Newtown shooter's guns: What we know - CNN.com

Theory 3: The nurse is fake and does not exist. This is completely false, and has been debunked with evidence: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r61PvN4U3x0

Theory 4: The laughing/crying father. This means absolutely nothing. No one can judge how a father copes with the loss of his daughter, and it's offensive that people are criticizing him for it. I have been to several funerals, I have witnessed family members and friends switch in and out of laughter and tears. They think of fond memories of the one they lost, they tell stories, they laugh, and they cry. People grieve in different ways. To me it does not seem right to criticize his reaction here, and it's not evidence of a conspiracy.

Theory 5: Emillie Parker is not dead. This is the most absurd thing I have seen so far in the video. The video alleges not only that the girl is not dead, but that the parents were so stupid they brought out the wrong sister for the photo op. What? Do people honestly believe that? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTaC580hfPo It's a picture of her sister. Obviously. They look alike because, you know, they're sister's. This guy uses the same photoshop trick as the conspiracy video and gets the same effect. Check out their noses in this picture for further evidence: https://i.imgur.com/iSuf4.jpg

Theory 6: One piece of footage of the crime scene does not show many ambulances and shows no children. The author claims this means this was all staged. He goes on to say that only one ambulance was there the whole time and they quickly blocked off all exits. The problem with this is twofold. Firstly, there are several pictures of multiple ambulances (here are a few):
imgur: the simple image sharer
Connecticut school shooting: 27 dead in school shooting - Associated Press - POLITICO.com
Secondly, this footage that the videos author is commenting on looks to be taken well after the shooting took place, which easily explains why there aren't a bunch of ambulances around and no one is panicking anymore. More things taken out of context because they fit the authors narrative.

Theory 7: Time stamps on the webpage set up for donations state the page was created before the shootings took place. Google search results do not always accurately reflect the date the content was published. Example) Here is a date restrictive search of sandy hook, listing all articles that appear to be published before the shooting took place. Well ****, according to google this there are articles and videos from these dates talking about the shooting: Jan 14, 2012 , Jun 19, 2012 , Sept 16, 2012 ..well before the shooting took place. Debunked.
Addition: People keep bringing up the facebook page that was made prior to the shooting. The creator of the page said they had made an unrelated page previously, it had no fans in it. After the shootings took place, she renamed the page to be a memorial for one of the victims. This changed the URL, but kept the original creation date of the group. Many claim this is not possible or this is not how facebook works. Here is proof that it is: Sandy Hook conspiracy nuts can back off. - Imgur

Theory 8: There was a planned FEMA meeting scheduled 20 minutes from the time of the shooting which helped slow down the response time of first responders.(Added due to popular demand). I went to the emergency services website for CT to investigate this. This class is offered regularly. It was offered on 11/17, 11/27, 12/3, 12/6, 12/14, and 12/17
In fact, digging a little deeper you can see they have had training classes like these for a long time, such as this one way back on 4/2/2012 called Emergency Planning for Schools (2 day course):
Division of Emergency Management and Homeland Security

These tragedies have been happening for awhile, and so has training people to respond to them. Debunked.

Other stuff: The people that made this video clearly have their own agenda, which is why they keep bringing up 9/11 and the London bombings (two completely unrelated events). Any time a large, tragic event occurs, many of these conspiracy theorists do their best to gather all of the media reports, then pick and choose to take the media out of context and create their own crazy conspiracy driven narrative for the events that took place. If you are skeptical of this video, you should be. It's crap.

 

thanks for posting this.. should be copied and pasted in the politics section where some dumb sh*ts still think this conspiracy crap is true.. RIP.. ALL INVOLVED,,

 

Ok, Time out.


Stop with the name calling. Everyone is going to have their own view and thoughts, this thread is to discuss them. There are many ways to look at the information and one person will see something different then another. I would be willing to bet NONE of us know the whole truth whether it be this way or that. Lets keep this thread for info that people find regardless of what it supports. Read the info and decide what you think for yourself. Arguing with someone over this stuff will not fix anything. Respect others view points and they will respect yours.

 

The fact that this thread (and videos) exist makes me sad.