smart guys!! got some mp112 charts, some ax2300charts too!!
 

http://www.automotive.eaton.com/prod...rols/M112.html

it's not the mp112 so who knows what the diferences are but all the charts only goto 12000rpm, seems like someone around here is spining one up to 16000rpm!! no idea what that would do either, i am going to email these guys and see if they have a chart for the mp112.

ok, now i found a link to the mp112 http://www.magnusonproducts.com/mp112.htm this chart goes to 14000rpm so lets assume that is the max rpm.



now here is the whipple one, good luck with this eye bogeling chart. http://www.lysholm.se/PDF/diagram_lys2300ax.pdf

i am studing this crap and may be able to come up with my own conclusion but while i am at it maybe you smart guys can figure this out for me. assuming a max rpm of 14000rpm how much hp(air flow) will each of these support. i know the mp112 will have an intercooler after it so the outlet temps will be alot less and while this is important it isn't realy an indicator of max hp. i think airflow is.

Re: smart guys!! got some mp112 charts, some ax2300charts too!!
 

ok, did a little of my own studying, correct me if i am wrong.

VE is about 2-3% better for the whipple at 10psi and 14000rpm

max cfm for the mp112 at 14000rpm and 10psi is about 820cfm
max cfm for the whipple at 14000rpm and 10psi is about 1059cfm

outlet temp for the mp112 at 14000rpm and 10psi is about 220deg
outlet temp for the whipple at 14000rpm and 10psi is about 212deg(had to deduct the 20deg c)

looks to me like the whipple can support quite abit more hp, just needs an intercooler or some nice chemical intercooling(nitrous)

from my experince with the whipple i see no way the mp112 can efectively feed a low compresion 400+ci motor, yea it would feed it but just at modest boost levels(under 10psi for sure) i was spining my whipple to 15000rpm to see 11psi on a BONE STOCK 6.0.

any other conclusions to be had here?

Re: smart guys!! got some mp112 charts, some ax2300charts too!!
 

Hmmm...can I be a smart guy. :confused: :p

Just extending the rpm speed out on the power graph of the mp112 shows that it might put out ~850hp at 16000rpm. That depends on how efficient it is at those speeds though. If it starts to get too inefficient the heat will really start to build up and without an effective way to cool it the power curve will not rise on that steady slope. Size and efficiency of the motor its on plays a part also. It'd be real nice if they had a chart like the one for the 2300ax.

I wonder if the 3300 series lysholm will spin to 14000rpm like the 2300. If so it would probably put out 1000hp.

Re: smart guys!! got some mp112 charts, some ax2300charts too!!
 

how doed cfm relate to hp?

here is a link to the 3300ax http://www.lysholm.se/PDF/diagram_lys3300ax.pdf it maxes out at 11000rpm but flows 1225cfm at 10psi and shows 96% eficincy and a prety cool 167deg, a nice 100shot and that would be ambient temp i bet :D, i want a 3300!!

Re: smart guys!! got some mp112 charts, some ax2300charts too!!
 

This is a rough estimate to convert cfm to hp?

cfm * .69 = hp

Here is some good reading right here. :D For a turbo but, the math can still be applied to a supercharger.

http://www.grapeaperacing.com/GrapeA.../turbosize.cfm

Re: smart guys!! got some mp112 charts, some ax2300charts too!!
 

i just noticed they have a KW rating on the whipple stuff, that much be how much it takes to drive the unit. for all 3 blowers the aprox hp at max rpm and 10psi are

mp112 14000rpm > 70hp
2300 14000rpm > 77hp
3300 11000rpm > 80hp

looks like the diference in drive hp isn't really significant, if there was an easy way to bolt the 3300 up that would be prety sweet set up for a large displacement high boost set up.

Re: smart guys!! got some mp112 charts, some ax2300charts too!!
 

looks to me like extending that chart would get around 1000cfm or 690hp - 80drive hp. 610fwhp if you spin the crap out of it. thats not going to do it for me. you know what i know, why isn't this adding up?

Re: smart guys!! got some mp112 charts, some ax2300charts too!!
 

DOH! disregard what I said above about the power output thing. I was thinking lb/min on the power side of that 112 chart. :bang: I just went back and looked and realize it's parasitic power loss for the blower. :zzz: Good night. :)

Re: smart guys!! got some mp112 charts, some ax2300charts too!!
 

The Lightning uses a similar blower to the MP112 (same size rotors but different housing) It is a large upgrade to go to the "twin screw" type blower such as the Kenny Bell Blowzilla on the Lightning. Wouldn't the best set up be to go with the Radix base and a Autorotor "twin screw" blower. Some machine work would have to be done to make it fit and work.

Re: smart guys!! got some mp112 charts, some ax2300charts too!!
 

sleepersilverado did a lot of research and said that something like that could be done, where the radix system could be used, but replace the blower with a kenny bell. He also said, for all that money that would be put into that setup, a nice custom turbo setup could be done.
Also, I thought I read somewhere that the kenny bells get really hot. :confused: