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richierich14608 07-18-2008 01:43 PM

Does Valve lift affect power band?
 
From what I have seen so far it seems that cams with higher lift seem to lower the power band of a specific duration. For instance, the thunder racing 220/220 on a 112 lsa cam advertises 1500-6500 rpms with .551 valve lift. Texas Speed's 220/220 on a 112 lsa cam advertises 1200-6200 rpms with .581 valve lift. Now is this false advertisment or are the facts right? Anyone have any thoughts or answers? I listed the links below for a look at the two different specs.

http://www.thunderracing.com/catalog...&vid=9&pcid=51

http://www.texas-speed.com/shop/item...d=164&catid=44

00ChevyScott 07-18-2008 01:58 PM

they could put 0-6800 rpms on those cam sheets and people would beleive them.

AgFormula02 07-18-2008 02:03 PM

what the heads flow will have much to do with this. Your cam must be matched to the head flow for peak power. I mean, who wants a 650 lift cam if the heads can't take advantage of it?

budhayes3 07-18-2008 03:48 PM

Duration and LSA determine the powerband, lift affects the horsepower numbers, if the heads will accomodate. On older cam designs, increased lift would usually increase the duration also, which would affect the powerband. Today's computer designed cam profiles and modern lobe designs can allow for more lift without affecting duration as it used to.

MPFD 07-18-2008 06:42 PM

You can say that again.

BlackGMC 07-18-2008 07:08 PM

One thing that is missing in those cam specs are the lobe design... you need the cam lobe specs to really determince the valve events...

00ChevyScott 07-19-2008 01:26 AM

comp lobes FTW

InchUp 07-19-2008 01:37 AM


Originally Posted by BlackGMC (Post 3963208)
One thing that is missing in those cam specs are the lobe design... you need the cam lobe specs to really determince the valve events...

I agree 100%. The cam ramps must be taken into account when determining valve events.

Another thing no one has yet to mention is cylinder pressure increase by means of higher lift cams. Any takers on explaining that one to the original poster? It will answer his question flat out as to why the higher lift pulls the power band down 300 rpms. Any takers before y'all make me explain it in full?

budhayes3 07-19-2008 02:23 PM


Originally Posted by InchUp (Post 3963337)
I agree 100%. The cam ramps must be taken into account when determining valve events.

Another thing no one has yet to mention is cylinder pressure increase by means of higher lift cams. Any takers on explaining that one to the original poster? It will answer his question flat out as to why the higher lift pulls the power band down 300 rpms. Any takers before y'all make me explain it in full?

I'm foggy as to why the "powerband", (I refer to this in horsepower terms), would come down, but I could see a slightly stronger torque curve being a result...correct me if I'm wrong, but generally speaking, more cylinder pressure=more torque, and a higher lift cam of the same duration will have a more agressive ramp that will fill the cylinders faster, creating more cylinder pressure. Unless we're just using different terminology...

richierich14608 07-20-2008 07:58 PM

I used the word "powerband" in describing the rpm range of the cams hp. According to my original post, the higher lift cam lowers the rpms in which the cam starts making power. Thats what I meant by "powerband" if that makes since. The overall point to my original post is the fact that I was wondering if the higher lift cams would bring more hp and torque down lower in the rpms vs. a lower lift cam with the same duration?


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