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Old May 16, 2009 | 07:13 AM
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Thanks for your input Lloyd, you bring up some good points and a different angle to view things from. It's nice to get different points of view and take in as much info as possible. I'm sure that 03 BLACKOUTSSS has a lot to consider now, and these different points of view don't make his decision any easier lol.

Originally Posted by NightTrain66
The reverse split will get you 10 more HP/TQ at 5000 RPM and 30-40 HP/TQ at 2500 RPM. This is what accelerates the vehicle well.
That's a considerable amount of TQ at a very usable RPM, right about where my future set up should be waking up. I'd love to see some dyno comparisons if you have any to post up
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Old May 16, 2009 | 10:44 PM
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Sorry about the lond delay in reply time, I had a long hard day of drinking / golfing (in that order) and watching racing...you guys know how that is.

Thanks for chacking in Lloyd. Although I understood and comprehended our conversation, there is no way that I could have articulated it in such a coherent manner.

Bud, although there is a whole lot of info on the table, this will be my first venture into internal mods...so I am sticking with the rev. split. I highly dount that I will be disappointed. Maybe in the future, when the primary use of the truck changes, my thought process will as well, but for now, I am sticking with the professionals. Albeit an AWD truck, I will see if I can find a place to dyno it (thinking subaru dyno), however there will be no baseline run for comparison...so I don't know what it will be worth. I will definitely put the graph up when it happens for reference / bragging purposes.
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Old May 16, 2009 | 10:52 PM
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Oh and Bud, good find on that ARH sale...thanks man.

EDIT: Holy Crap what a price tag on those bad boys...

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Old May 17, 2009 | 01:19 AM
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Cool deal man, looking forward to your results. I must admit that it will be interesting to see something that is different than the norm, and how it performs. Do you have a set time frame when you'll be doing the swap? Be sure to keep us updated

Yea, the ARH's are pricey, but they're a quality stainless system. I believe that the Dynatechs are priced in the same ballpark and are also a quality system, but I'm more impressed with the ARH's, just my .02
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Old May 18, 2009 | 06:20 AM
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Originally Posted by NightTrain66
The same intake duration with a conventional split (4-6 degrees larger on exhaust), can get you 5-8 more HP at 7000 RPM and 3-4 more HP/TQ at 6500 RPM while making the same power at 6000 RPM and less HP/TQ at EVERY RPM below that. The reverse split will get you 10 more HP/TQ at 5000 RPM and 30-40 HP/TQ at 2500 RPM. This is what accelerates the vehicle well.

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I would like to see some evidence of this.
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Old May 18, 2009 | 05:50 PM
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I have seen reverse duration cams work in LSx cars. not sure about trucks. but the last one I installed in a vette made some good midrange torque and lots of hp through 6500. not sure I would want it in a truck though. As far as a right up from Brett or Lloyd. I wouldn't put too much into either one of them. My opinion though. You can get 100 different opinions from 100 different people you ask. all you can do is take what sounds right to you and go from there.
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Old May 18, 2009 | 06:04 PM
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Originally Posted by hirdlej
Well, my last cam I had in my 6L was a 218/224 .562/.581 114 LSA +2 and it did this:

The fall off of that power curve is definitely atypical of a cam of that nature....it's falling off earlier than a stock 6.0 cam! Even your new 224/228 is only peaking at 5700 whereas it should be more around 6300. Very odd, but I believe it may be attributable to the "hand porting" that was done on your heads changing flow characteristics up top. I'm open to any other explanations.

Regarding the reverse split, it doesn't seem like a good idea with stock exhaust since you have a shorter amount of time to expel a larger than stock amount of exhaust gas. But that doesn't mean reverse splits dont work period.....I'm pretty sure the TR230 is one of the most popular cams TR sells.
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