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Old Dec 18, 2013 | 07:37 AM
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Originally Posted by 11Denali62
I have a great attitude but I also have been around car forums for some time and I know how hierarchy works....if I posted this same exact thread and I happen to have some monster performance mods on my truck I would have had 40 people answer my question. Here is how every car/truck forum works: everyone gets together initially on the same page. A few people break off and dump tons of money into their vehicle and they are idolized by the rest of the forum. 50% of the rest of the members try to cobble something together that comes close to the TT/Heads/Cam/Nitrous set-up that the forum Gods are running 10's with. So some scum-bag, newbie like me comes along and until I prove myself no one has the time of day for me....they couldn't give a rats *** what I have to say....yet I could have been building engines for John Force for the last 25 years. I have seen it play out on five different forums that I have belonged to with five different vehicles. Same ****...different day. It gets tiresome and boring after a while. Lets not pretend to be something that we aren't. If this is a "forum" then it should behave in the same manner as a group of people sitting at a bar shooting the **** would behave. Either way I really don't see me getting too attached to this one in particular as it pretty much sucks like a black hole. I am headed to a Z06 forum with the hope that I find someone there that is a pure enthusiast. Already searching autotrader for one
Experiences on forums obviously do vary, and I was a noobie here once too, still am compared to guys like Tim z and nonnie and dewmanshu and others. However, and this is the problem with 95% of them, they ask a stupid question that could have been solved using google and/or YouTube. Maybe not the case regarding this specific thread, but I do see it a lot in the new posts section. Btw I consider this to probally be the best site, gmfs and fsc are full of jackasses and idiots, 67-72chevytrucks.com is too slow for me and ls1tech is getting to the point of gmfs... I just use it for classifieds for my camaro
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Old Dec 18, 2013 | 07:50 AM
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Originally Posted by 11Denali62
I have a great attitude but I also have been around car forums for some time and I know how hierarchy works....if I posted this same exact thread and I happen to have some monster performance mods on my truck I would have had 40 people answer my question. Here is how every car/truck forum works: everyone gets together initially on the same page. A few people break off and dump tons of money into their vehicle and they are idolized by the rest of the forum. 50% of the rest of the members try to cobble something together that comes close to the TT/Heads/Cam/Nitrous set-up that the forum Gods are running 10's with. So some scum-bag, newbie like me comes along and until I prove myself no one has the time of day for me....they couldn't give a rats *** what I have to say....yet I could have been building engines for John Force for the last 25 years. I have seen it play out on five different forums that I have belonged to with five different vehicles. Same ****...different day. It gets tiresome and boring after a while. Lets not pretend to be something that we aren't. If this is a "forum" then it should behave in the same manner as a group of people sitting at a bar shooting the **** would behave. Either way I really don't see me getting too attached to this one in particular as it pretty much sucks like a black hole. I am headed to a Z06 forum with the hope that I find someone there that is a pure enthusiast. Already searching autotrader for one

If you are so keen and aware of how forums work then you should have posted your question in the right section. If you take a moment to browse you will see that our Ford section doesn't get much traffic as this site has primarily a GM crowd. You posted your question in the FORD section, little to no traffic means little to no response. Seeing that you were not getting any response you come back with a attitude and unneeded profanity due to your overall shitty forum expirience it seems. You have to give the forum a chance, the first part of that is putting your question in the GM section (which I did) however your second post in this thread is no doubt turning people away from helping.

Today is a new day, let's try starting out on the other foot.
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Old Dec 18, 2013 | 12:24 PM
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I like Pat do not have stabilitrak, nor have I ever really driven a truck that does in snow or other slippery conditions.

The short answer is one that you seem to have found for yourself... turn stabilitrak off in the snow. Stabilitrak works best for the type of driver that isnt going to give it more gas to get out of a hairy situation.

Sorry you didnt get a response quicker, but you also have to remember things around here seem to slow down a little on weekends and you posted this thread at almost 10PM on a friday night EST, then came back monday morning before 8 am to bitch about not getting a response.

BTW with the mods I'm pretty sure you had planned (you wanted to beat a CTS-v you used to own, right?) I think you will fit right in here. Give it time. Your question is not one that typically grabs the attention of a lot of our members.

I wouldnt ditch the truck for a vette just yet.

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Old Dec 18, 2013 | 01:16 PM
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After living with 4-6 month winters my entire life, I've learned that nothing can help you get traction in the snow other than a good set of snow tires. I can pretty much guarantee that I drive in worst conditions than you, unless you're from Northern Alaska or Iqaluit.

If you got the money for a Denali, you can afford a good set of tires to protect yourself, your occupants and your investment. If you can find Hakkapeliitta tires, they were some of the best on the market back in 09', things may have changed since then, but these were top-shelf.

Having said that, I'm driving a truck with worn out front tires, no 4WD (transfer case needs work) and have no issues getting around. Any slippage I get is from taking corners a little too fast or turning too sharply than necessary.
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Old Dec 20, 2013 | 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Richardman1992
Experiences on forums obviously do vary, and I was a noobie here once too, still am compared to guys like Tim z and nonnie and dewmanshu and others. However, and this is the problem with 95% of them, they ask a stupid question that could have been solved using google and/or YouTube. Maybe not the case regarding this specific thread, but I do see it a lot in the new posts section. Btw I consider this to probally be the best site, gmfs and fsc are full of jackasses and idiots, 67-72chevytrucks.com is too slow for me and ls1tech is getting to the point of gmfs... I just use it for classifieds for my camaro
Thanks for your input....I appreciate your taking the time to respond. In terms of asking stupid questions and researching them on google, etc., I think that is the wrong approach. This is precisely why people would come to a forum like this....because people have operational experience that can be tapped. I realize it gets tedious to see the same question asked over and over again but I just figured there would be vast amounts of experience here that could just offer an opinion.

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If you are so keen and aware of how forums work then you should have posted your question in the right section. If you take a moment to browse you will see that our Ford section doesn't get much traffic as this site has primarily a GM crowd. You posted your question in the FORD section, little to no traffic means little to no response. Seeing that you were not getting any response you come back with a attitude and unneeded profanity due to your overall shitty forum expirience it seems. You have to give the forum a chance, the first part of that is putting your question in the GM section (which I did) however your second post in this thread is no doubt turning people away from helping.

Today is a new day, let's try starting out on the other foot.
Thanks for your input. I didn't realize that I had posted my question in the Ford section. Had I realized that I had navigated into the Ford section I certainly would have withdrawn the question and put it the correct area......however....I am guessing that 99.9% of people on this site first click on the "new posts" section where my original question would have been posted among all of the other new posts regardless of which section I posted it in. I am not belaboring the point, but at the time I wrote my negative post above....my original post had 67 views so it did have exposure. I am just frustrated with the way society has gone and I figured that this forum was just another microcosm that mirrors the drain swirling society that we live in.


Originally Posted by Vortec350ss
I like Pat do not have stabilitrak, nor have I ever really driven a truck that does in snow or other slippery conditions.

The short answer is one that you seem to have found for yourself... turn stabilitrak off in the snow. Stabilitrak works best for the type of driver that isnt going to give it more gas to get out of a hairy situation.

Sorry you didnt get a response quicker, but you also have to remember things around here seem to slow down a little on weekends and you posted this thread at almost 10PM on a friday night EST, then came back monday morning before 8 am to bitch about not getting a response.

BTW with the mods I'm pretty sure you had planned (you wanted to beat a CTS-v you used to own, right?) I think you will fit right in here. Give it time. Your question is not one that typically grabs the attention of a lot of our members.

I wouldnt ditch the truck for a vette just yet.
Thanks for the input. I will give it time indeed. I look forward to building the truck up to exceed my 11.94 with my V. That being said, the main reason I got rid of the V was that it wasn't a practical daily driver with three children with PA winters, etc so I have no intention of getting rid of the truck. However, I am still highly addicted to brutal acceleration and I miss it terribly with the Denali. I am 99% sold on a ZO6 in the next couple years .

Originally Posted by Koots
After living with 4-6 month winters my entire life, I've learned that nothing can help you get traction in the snow other than a good set of snow tires. I can pretty much guarantee that I drive in worst conditions than you, unless you're from Northern Alaska or Iqaluit.

If you got the money for a Denali, you can afford a good set of tires to protect yourself, your occupants and your investment. If you can find Hakkapeliitta tires, they were some of the best on the market back in 09', things may have changed since then, but these were top-shelf.

Having said that, I'm driving a truck with worn out front tires, no 4WD (transfer case needs work) and have no issues getting around. Any slippage I get is from taking corners a little too fast or turning too sharply than necessary.
Thanks for the input. When I originally went around the curve that caused the slide, I was literally going 10mph +/-. It definitely wasn't driver error but more that I just happened to hit some ice under the snow. Tires are a definite in the immediate future. I wanted to give the stock tires a chance to prove that they were garbage or great and they gave me a definitive answer.
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Old Dec 21, 2013 | 06:46 PM
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Stabilitrak questions? You've come to the right place!

To answer the first question, some dumbass engineer working for GM decided that the Stabilitrak feature should NEVER be disabled. As a result, hitting the button to disable Stabilitrak does nothing besides remove some of the throttle limitations. You will still get 4-wheel ABS cycling and the transfer case will do stupid things to redistribute the torque.

The end result of all this is that when you hear/feel the grinding/hydraulic noise under the floor when your foot is on the gas, it's Stabilitrak deciding you don't know how to drive in slippery conditions.

Since there is not supposed to be any way to disable Stabilitrak completely, you have to get creative and pull some fuses for the transfer case/ABS. What year/model truck do you have? It's been a while since I did this so I might not remember the specific wires/fuses I put on relays to disable Stabilitrak.

PS: your 67 views were probably the sum total of this site's Ford crowd. Also, only 10 people here use the "new posts" feature. The rest of us just browse directly into the GM forums and occasionally into the FI forum.
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Old Dec 21, 2013 | 09:17 PM
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Suburbanize is right, very few people here use the new posts feature. I actually use it all the time now but at one point in time a couple years ago I never used it.
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Old Dec 21, 2013 | 09:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Suburbazine
Stabilitrak questions? You've come to the right place!

To answer the first question, some dumbass engineer working for GM decided that the Stabilitrak feature should NEVER be disabled. As a result, hitting the button to disable Stabilitrak does nothing besides remove some of the throttle limitations. You will still get 4-wheel ABS cycling and the transfer case will do stupid things to redistribute the torque.

The end result of all this is that when you hear/feel the grinding/hydraulic noise under the floor when your foot is on the gas, it's Stabilitrak deciding you don't know how to drive in slippery conditions.

Since there is not supposed to be any way to disable Stabilitrak completely, you have to get creative and pull some fuses for the transfer case/ABS. What year/model truck do you have? It's been a while since I did this so I might not remember the specific wires/fuses I put on relays to disable Stabilitrak.

PS: your 67 views were probably the sum total of this site's Ford crowd. Also, only 10 people here use the "new posts" feature. The rest of us just browse directly into the GM forums and occasionally into the FI forum.

Thanks for the info. Not being able to disable stabilitrak is nearly as irritating as not being able to disable the auto-lock feature on the doors! If you can remember the fuse pull sequence that would be great....my truck is a 2011 GMC Sierra Denali 6.2 AWD. I am a bit concerned about pulling any fuses related to ABS though....because I absolutely DO want that working when its snowing.
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Old Dec 21, 2013 | 10:01 PM
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Originally Posted by 03sierraslt
Suburbanize is right, very few people here use the new posts feature. I actually use it all the time now but at one point in time a couple years ago I never used it.
I see you have your Denali at 11.9 seconds. That is the Holy Grail for me because that matches the best I ever ran in my basically stock CTS-V. If I can hit that number I will be QUITE pleased. I see the mods list you have and that is where I am headed with my truck. I did spend quite a bit of time looking over turbo set-ups today (found out STS doesn't offer anything for any post '07 trucks according to their website). Greatly looking forward to getting into this build process this spring.
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Old Dec 21, 2013 | 10:20 PM
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Originally Posted by 11Denali62
Thanks for the info. Not being able to disable stabilitrak is nearly as irritating as not being able to disable the auto-lock feature on the doors! If you can remember the fuse pull sequence that would be great....my truck is a 2011 GMC Sierra Denali 6.2 AWD. I am a bit concerned about pulling any fuses related to ABS though....because I absolutely DO want that working when its snowing.
2011, I know I can't help you with any degree of precision. I was hoping for a 2003-2007 truck.

The operations should be the same though, look for a fuse in the UBEC that is labeled "TRAC", should be in the 25-30A range I think. Pull that out and see what happens. It may not totally kill Stabilitrak but it should get you close.
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