Chiller
#32
Originally Posted by TrickPerformanceProducts
Nice moregrip. That is what I was talking about.
Man that was an old read.
Rick
Man that was an old read.
Rick
#33
Yeah, that's basically what I built, but it didn't tap into the vehicle's A/C lines. I've messed with automotive refrigeration systems enough in the past to know that not everybody is comfortable and not everbody should be changing out hoses and lines and recharging the system. Also running long refrigeration lines to the trunk isn't exactly the most efficient thing to do either. Instead of using the vehicle's refrigeration system, I used a self contained setup I built at work. From what it looks like, our means of chilling the water were the same. I had an insulated tank with a coil in it. The water would sit in the tank with the coil, which would chill the water and act as the reservior.
Where our setup differs is that they still use the front heat exhanger. I saw no reason for this with my setup, because it would be working against me in my case by heating the water up to ambient. In their design I see the reasoning, because you aren't going to be running the A/C all the time. I'm working out the details now for a 12VDC version since I had to run an inverter. I'm also going to make it more compact, but I had it mounted under my back seat in the cab with no issues. I just need to make it small enough to be mountable in most vehicles. It'd be nice to make it fit it the spot where an extra battery goes, but the condensser coil is awfully big.
Where our setup differs is that they still use the front heat exhanger. I saw no reason for this with my setup, because it would be working against me in my case by heating the water up to ambient. In their design I see the reasoning, because you aren't going to be running the A/C all the time. I'm working out the details now for a 12VDC version since I had to run an inverter. I'm also going to make it more compact, but I had it mounted under my back seat in the cab with no issues. I just need to make it small enough to be mountable in most vehicles. It'd be nice to make it fit it the spot where an extra battery goes, but the condensser coil is awfully big.
#34
Originally Posted by vanillagorilla
Yeah, that's basically what I built, but it didn't tap into the vehicle's A/C lines. I've messed with automotive refrigeration systems enough in the past to know that not everybody is comfortable and not everbody should be changing out hoses and lines and recharging the system. Also running long refrigeration lines to the trunk isn't exactly the most efficient thing to do either. Instead of using the vehicle's refrigeration system, I used a self contained setup I built at work. From what it looks like, our means of chilling the water were the same. I had an insulated tank with a coil in it. The water would sit in the tank with the coil, which would chill the water and act as the reservior.
Where our setup differs is that they still use the front heat exhanger. I saw no reason for this with my setup, because it would be working against me in my case by heating the water up to ambient. In their design I see the reasoning, because you aren't going to be running the A/C all the time. I'm working out the details now for a 12VDC version since I had to run an inverter. I'm also going to make it more compact, but I had it mounted under my back seat in the cab with no issues. I just need to make it small enough to be mountable in most vehicles. It'd be nice to make it fit it the spot where an extra battery goes, but the condensser coil is awfully big.
Where our setup differs is that they still use the front heat exhanger. I saw no reason for this with my setup, because it would be working against me in my case by heating the water up to ambient. In their design I see the reasoning, because you aren't going to be running the A/C all the time. I'm working out the details now for a 12VDC version since I had to run an inverter. I'm also going to make it more compact, but I had it mounted under my back seat in the cab with no issues. I just need to make it small enough to be mountable in most vehicles. It'd be nice to make it fit it the spot where an extra battery goes, but the condensser coil is awfully big.

#35
Oh believe me, if I knew more about the 12VDC compressors I'd be on it. It's just that nobody I'm in contact with works with them. So I don't know if thier efficiencies are the same or if they operate at the same pressures. All I know is the electrical info. They aren't cheap either due to the limited market. I want to go to DC, because it would draw a ton of power with the inverter. Like get ready to watch the voltmeter move. It only did it right when the comp. kicked on though, because that's when it draws a ton of current.
Anyway, I would love more than anything to produce these things. They aren't too hard to build if you're used to refrigeration lines, welding/brazing and charging, but like I said the install is intimidating. I'm going to make it so all you have to do is wire it and run water lines to it, fill it up with water and go. I don't think there's very much market for it though since methanol kits have become so popular. You can use them in conjuction too and I've heard if you use it to cool fuel similar effects can be seen. That's the next step.
Anyway, I would love more than anything to produce these things. They aren't too hard to build if you're used to refrigeration lines, welding/brazing and charging, but like I said the install is intimidating. I'm going to make it so all you have to do is wire it and run water lines to it, fill it up with water and go. I don't think there's very much market for it though since methanol kits have become so popular. You can use them in conjuction too and I've heard if you use it to cool fuel similar effects can be seen. That's the next step.
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From a power standpoint the stock A/C compressor/system would be the best to use but, like you say it would be a more intimidating install.
Also, something like a radix could probably use this all year round. I guess in the winter you could turn on the A/C and turn the heat all the way up......It's a dry heat.
Also, something like a radix could probably use this all year round. I guess in the winter you could turn on the A/C and turn the heat all the way up......It's a dry heat.
#37
Originally Posted by XLR8NSS
From a power standpoint the stock A/C compressor/system would be the best to use but, like you say it would be a more intimidating install.
Bring on the 2.75" pullies!
#38
A/C runs when the defroster is on anyway, and you just need to take it to a good shop that does AC. If the kit is laid out cleanly
and the hoses are short and insulated your good. The HP lost with the AC running or not is min, if you can chill the intake temps down to take advantage of the higher timing you can run.
Should be interesting to see what someone comes up with.
Rick
and the hoses are short and insulated your good. The HP lost with the AC running or not is min, if you can chill the intake temps down to take advantage of the higher timing you can run.Should be interesting to see what someone comes up with.
Rick
#39
True and at WOT most cars' programing shuts off the AC compressor. But I don't see how you can keep the AC lines short when you mount the freakin' coil in the trunk?
Lots of heat gained there, especially if it runs anywhere near the exhaust.
Lots of heat gained there, especially if it runs anywhere near the exhaust.
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Originally Posted by vanillagorilla
What do you mean by power? Like hp or electrical power consumption? I think the DC version will cure the electrical power/current consumption problem. And yes, the Radix kit could greatly benefit from this.
Bring on the 2.75" pullies! 
Bring on the 2.75" pullies! 

How does the 12VDC compressor fix the power consumption issues? Doesn't it still have to do the same amount of work as a 120VAC model? I am confused.







