The mustang driver that killed three in Kerrville Texas.
Nov 1, 2021 | 02:18 PM
#21
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Don't agree with the plane example. You as a passenger have no control over your destiny. But one is a freak accident and one is negligent- def difference in cause
shooting example: I had control, I left
stand next to a track: I have control, I can move to a protected area or away from the cars
aluminum tube with 300 others: no possibility of control. Grab your seatbelt and pray
OF COURSE YOU DO. You had control over getting on that plane. You had control over where you went, and the situation you put yourself in. You are aware that you are getting on a plane, and you are not getting off until it lands.
It's unlikely, but possible that mustang boi didn't know how to correct it. He may have panicked or thought snapping off the throttle would be worse.
You're reaching, and in no way does holding down the throttle really come as a logical response.
In some situations it is, from a car dynamics stand point
Letting off the throttle so your tires can regain traction, should be something so beginner's level, that everyone should learn that in driver's ED, before you even get a permit. I don't see any possible outcome where the driver can be driving vehicles (for what is probably 10 years), be to the point in their driving experience that they are in a drag race, and still has not obtained such a basic understanding of how tires work.
So while he is the low hanging fruit, it may be a bit crass of us to place 100% blame on him.
I'm putting the blame on him for CREATING the situation.
There was a 2yr old who shot her dad and killed him at a range. It may have been private lessons, I don't recall. She grabbed the gun. She pulled the trigger. But they determined that if the gun had been safed before being set down, dad would be alive
I can find this link for you, I'm not making **** up
I'll take your word for it, but not really the same considering the 2yr old is not the one acting negligent.
Responsibility isn't binary. Mustang wouldn't have been at the track if there was no event. Spectators wouldn't have been there either. The NHRA has a licensing program for car control situations exactly like this. The track had the duty to put barriers the full length. The spectators had the duty to not stand unprotected and the driver had the duty to control his vehicle
If any one of the above "duties" was obligated, ppl would be alive and it would be just another "Mustangs gonna mustang" video
shooting example: I had control, I left
stand next to a track: I have control, I can move to a protected area or away from the cars
aluminum tube with 300 others: no possibility of control. Grab your seatbelt and pray
OF COURSE YOU DO. You had control over getting on that plane. You had control over where you went, and the situation you put yourself in. You are aware that you are getting on a plane, and you are not getting off until it lands.
It's unlikely, but possible that mustang boi didn't know how to correct it. He may have panicked or thought snapping off the throttle would be worse.
You're reaching, and in no way does holding down the throttle really come as a logical response.
In some situations it is, from a car dynamics stand point
Letting off the throttle so your tires can regain traction, should be something so beginner's level, that everyone should learn that in driver's ED, before you even get a permit. I don't see any possible outcome where the driver can be driving vehicles (for what is probably 10 years), be to the point in their driving experience that they are in a drag race, and still has not obtained such a basic understanding of how tires work.
So while he is the low hanging fruit, it may be a bit crass of us to place 100% blame on him.
I'm putting the blame on him for CREATING the situation.
There was a 2yr old who shot her dad and killed him at a range. It may have been private lessons, I don't recall. She grabbed the gun. She pulled the trigger. But they determined that if the gun had been safed before being set down, dad would be alive
I can find this link for you, I'm not making **** up
I'll take your word for it, but not really the same considering the 2yr old is not the one acting negligent.
Responsibility isn't binary. Mustang wouldn't have been at the track if there was no event. Spectators wouldn't have been there either. The NHRA has a licensing program for car control situations exactly like this. The track had the duty to put barriers the full length. The spectators had the duty to not stand unprotected and the driver had the duty to control his vehicle
If any one of the above "duties" was obligated, ppl would be alive and it would be just another "Mustangs gonna mustang" video
I don't think you can say anyone is 100% at fault for this. I think the mustang driver is at fault for starting this, when everyone else would have acted reasonably enough to make sure this wouldn't have happened.
Nov 1, 2021 | 02:36 PM
#22
Have you never seen what happens to a drift car or a motorcycle when the rear wheel(s) are spinning and the vehicle is sideways and the operator chops off the throttle??
Most of the "Mustangs gonna mustang" videos are because of an uncontrolled release of the throttle when the vehicle was already sideways
it's basic drivers ed and MSF course training: car/vehicle should be straight before snapping off the throttle
a controlled release would have been preferred but obv that didn't happen either
Most of the "Mustangs gonna mustang" videos are because of an uncontrolled release of the throttle when the vehicle was already sideways
it's basic drivers ed and MSF course training: car/vehicle should be straight before snapping off the throttle
a controlled release would have been preferred but obv that didn't happen either
Nov 1, 2021 | 02:44 PM
#23
You can't do everything 100% safe. Sometimes you have to accept that you have no control. If you're going to move about ever, you take a risk. Staying put is still a risk
so for the plane example: if it wasn't the plane, it would be a car or train or boat or truck or bike
So, I'm sorry- I don't agree that you have control unless you decide to never change your location. That would be the only time you have control
so for the plane example: if it wasn't the plane, it would be a car or train or boat or truck or bike
So, I'm sorry- I don't agree that you have control unless you decide to never change your location. That would be the only time you have control
Nov 1, 2021 | 05:21 PM
#24
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Sideways drifting is not even close to being the same. The vehicle's momentum is different, the tires react different, and the entire point of what the vehicle does is different. That's definitely not an apples to apples. Its just like when driving in the rain, and you give it to much gas, then the tires start spinning. I have never even heard of an idiot who just holds the pedal down until........
HYPOTHETICAL, (since we don't know the details), but Kerrville is a pretty small town. Its about 25K people, and the big city is an hour away in one direction, and 8 hours the other. This was the second time they held this event. This may have just been the "hot thing to do" locally, and this family wanted to get out post covid with the kids. (I still think 90% of people just want a vehicle to go from A to B, and we overlook that many of us have been interested and pursuing automotive interests since we were young). What if they had no idea that a car going off the track was an even a possibility at that point? ('The barriers end there, and there are plenty of other people around, we should be safe here'). Its not a common occurrence, and there's a possibility they just didn't even know that standing there COULD be dangerous. It might not be apathy why they were standing there, it could just be ignorance. It can't possibly be all on them then. We don't know what kind of warnings or safety information was provided, (at this airport, and not a race track that knows what to expect).
HYPOTHETICAL, (since we don't know the details), but Kerrville is a pretty small town. Its about 25K people, and the big city is an hour away in one direction, and 8 hours the other. This was the second time they held this event. This may have just been the "hot thing to do" locally, and this family wanted to get out post covid with the kids. (I still think 90% of people just want a vehicle to go from A to B, and we overlook that many of us have been interested and pursuing automotive interests since we were young). What if they had no idea that a car going off the track was an even a possibility at that point? ('The barriers end there, and there are plenty of other people around, we should be safe here'). Its not a common occurrence, and there's a possibility they just didn't even know that standing there COULD be dangerous. It might not be apathy why they were standing there, it could just be ignorance. It can't possibly be all on them then. We don't know what kind of warnings or safety information was provided, (at this airport, and not a race track that knows what to expect).
Nov 1, 2021 | 07:08 PM
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There is no conversation with you, you are someone who wants to live life with no worries. Reality check time.... Life sucks ***, it's hard and it takes a lot to grab a hold of it and handle your business. Scared isn't an option, if your scared you will get run over. I don't eat tread I lay the tracks have fun with your what if scenarios, they will eat you alive...
Nov 1, 2021 | 08:32 PM
#26
Ignorance does not recuse oneself from responsibility. Since I am running out of constructive things to say, I will take my own advice and recuse myself from this thread
As a parting gift, here is me, driving my car, on my local track. I am not sure why its so low quality, I shoot all vids in 1080, however- watch it a few times. Its short, no one crashes, no one dies
https://photos.app.goo.gl/ndWpT15C5J6jZZvr7
You will see the car steps out as I set up for turn 1. Steps out hard, even the go pro catches it and go pros dumb everything down
IF I had lifted throttle when this happened 1 of 2 things would have occurred A)weight transfer to the front would have made the car continue to rotate *** end off to the left or B) I lift and countersteer, forcing the car to go (likely) nose off to the right
However, I did C) kept the throttle planted and countered until it was safe to lift. Honestly by the time the car settled it was already straight and I just stayed in it
So please, for the love of god, don't tell me (an actual driver btw) that the only way to control a vehicle is removing application of throttle. That's it. That's all I want out of this thread. I already know you are going to argue it, and that's ok. But my video proves your assumption wrong. Not just my video, but physics in general. Mustangs gonna mustang until they understand vehicle dynamics
As a parting gift, here is me, driving my car, on my local track. I am not sure why its so low quality, I shoot all vids in 1080, however- watch it a few times. Its short, no one crashes, no one dies
https://photos.app.goo.gl/ndWpT15C5J6jZZvr7
You will see the car steps out as I set up for turn 1. Steps out hard, even the go pro catches it and go pros dumb everything down
IF I had lifted throttle when this happened 1 of 2 things would have occurred A)weight transfer to the front would have made the car continue to rotate *** end off to the left or B) I lift and countersteer, forcing the car to go (likely) nose off to the right
However, I did C) kept the throttle planted and countered until it was safe to lift. Honestly by the time the car settled it was already straight and I just stayed in it
So please, for the love of god, don't tell me (an actual driver btw) that the only way to control a vehicle is removing application of throttle. That's it. That's all I want out of this thread. I already know you are going to argue it, and that's ok. But my video proves your assumption wrong. Not just my video, but physics in general. Mustangs gonna mustang until they understand vehicle dynamics
Nov 2, 2021 | 01:10 AM
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You need to quit trying to compare getting into throttle sideways or around a turn (to accelerate through a turn or a controlled drift), to going straight and flooring it beyond control, until control is no longer possible, because you have no clue what you are doing.
Your video is not showing, It wants me to log in to google photos to see yours. I can't even see the video, but I know you aren't flooring it into and through the turn. I know you didn't post a video, that shows you increasing the throttle until you lose complete control.
Your video is not showing, It wants me to log in to google photos to see yours. I can't even see the video, but I know you aren't flooring it into and through the turn. I know you didn't post a video, that shows you increasing the throttle until you lose complete control.
Nov 2, 2021 | 06:55 AM
#28
Oh it was planted thru the turn. As soon as the car started to rotate it was "countersteer and floor it" easy to do in a car with 100whp on a good day 
but still the proper course of action to maintain weight transfer, regardless of HP
I think what it's asking you to do is log into a Google account of your own. I will upload it to YouTube later if you like to watch it
but still the proper course of action to maintain weight transfer, regardless of HP
I think what it's asking you to do is log into a Google account of your own. I will upload it to YouTube later if you like to watch it
