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Old Nov 14, 2016 | 09:44 AM
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Guys, I'm sure this has been covered before, I'm looking for the simplest way to control timing for 2 stages of nitrous. My tuner has a IAT relay installed to pull timing for my first kit, I read some yesterday where someone had a thread on how to use more than one relay but I couldn't find it. any info and help will be greatly appreciated TIA
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Old Nov 14, 2016 | 11:17 AM
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I believe you would just throw another relay into the IAT wire, with a different strength resistor, and this relay would be activated when the second stage went live.

Now both IAT relays would need different resistors, corresponding to the two lowest temp columns in your tune. I don't know what the resistance would be, because with one relay you can simply leave the circuit broken, no resistor required.
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Old Nov 14, 2016 | 01:57 PM
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I wouldnt shoot for the last column and a column right next to it, I would shoot for at least a few columns apart.

Are you adding in the 2nd stage while keeping the first going or are you turning off the first at the same time you turn on the second?
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Old Nov 14, 2016 | 01:59 PM
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first system has 150 in it, then will turn on the direct port which has an additional 200 in it, so once all is on there will be 350hp worth of N2O
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Old Nov 14, 2016 | 02:41 PM
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This should work for what you want. 1st stage should put the IAT in the 5F to -4F column depending on outside temp and the second stage should be in the last column (-40F). I recommend interpolating between these points also in case the resistance moves around a lot there.

You need 5 pin relays to do this, and if you are using a ground to activate your solenoids just switch 85 and 86 labels.

Normally there is no extra resistance so the PCM sees the IAT for what it actually is. When the first stage activates it adds in the 20k ohm resistor moving the IAT to the 5f to -4F range, and when the second stage activates it disconnects entirely (so its infinite resistance) which will go to the last row in the table. If the stage 2 solenoid activates without the first solenoid it will also go to the last row.
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Old Nov 14, 2016 | 03:07 PM
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Atomic, when I click on the attachment it will not open, you mind emailing it to me? jbbrazell@hotmail.com
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Old Nov 14, 2016 | 03:44 PM
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Gotta love Atomic's diagrams, he helped me with my nitrous wiring. You're in good hands.
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