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Old 02-07-2018, 05:44 PM
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You will want to verify if your have a real sensor or a virtual sensor through. Even though it's a E85 or flex fuel truck does not always mean it has a real sensor that is accurate.

The older GMT-900's that are flex fuel trucks all run what they call virtual sensors that use the fuel trims to determine alcohol content. It's not a very accurate way to read it and it is very slow to react to the changes unlike a real sensor that could figure it out in just a few minutes.

I always hear of people having issues when they try to blend fuels or run one tank of E85 then switch back to 93 octane, the virtual sensors will take forever to adjust the calibration back.
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Originally Posted by 00pooterSS
Ah now I see. Cool I have a e85 compatible truck so I won't have to do anything but the tuning part

When you ran the 13.9, did it have the stall? Just cold air and the muffler and piping and e85?
13.96 pass was a K&N drop in filter, muffler swap, and e85 tune.
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Originally Posted by FFDP
You will want to verify if your have a real sensor or a virtual sensor through. Even though it's a E85 or flex fuel truck does not always mean it has a real sensor that is accurate.

The older GMT-900's that are flex fuel trucks all run what they call virtual sensors that use the fuel trims to determine alcohol content. It's not a very accurate way to read it and it is very slow to react to the changes unlike a real sensor that could figure it out in just a few minutes.

I always hear of people having issues when they try to blend fuels or run one tank of E85 then switch back to 93 octane, the virtual sensors will take forever to adjust the calibration back.
2014+ trucks run a real alcohol sensor in the fuel line. Even the 2500HD's do as they have been that virtual trash in the past like the 1/2 ton GMT900's.
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The 2500's must be after 2015 as the 2015 file I have still says virtual sensor from the factory.
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The 2500's must be after 2015 as the 2015 file I have still says virtual sensor from the factory.
Its funny because HP or whatever is wrong there... says that same virtual or whatever BS on my 17 HD too. But yep.. crawl under the truck and there sure is an alcohol sensor in there just like the 1500 series trucks. Although all the gas HD trucks have a sensor you can still get a half ton without e85 capability and I could see those being virtual and it's probably a labelling thing on the interfaces end at that point.
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Silly hpt.
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Plus the HD has a stupid ECM that is shared with cool cars like Cruzes... and has minimal support. The E78 is kind of worthless.
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Yeah it baffles me why they used that controller. The E38 was just fine for everything else up to 2013 in the half ton market and then like 2012 hits they decide to screw with things for the heavy duty line.
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Yup. We shall see if I even can get e fans working properly on it or not. The Suburban HD has them but that doesn't mean much lol.
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Originally Posted by Gorske
13.96 pass was a K&N drop in filter, muffler swap, and e85 tune.
Damn that's it.. badass

Originally Posted by FFDP
You will want to verify if your have a real sensor or a virtual sensor through. Even though it's a E85 or flex fuel truck does not always mean it has a real sensor that is accurate.

The older GMT-900's that are flex fuel trucks all run what they call virtual sensors that use the fuel trims to determine alcohol content. It's not a very accurate way to read it and it is very slow to react to the changes unlike a real sensor that could figure it out in just a few minutes.

I always hear of people having issues when they try to blend fuels or run one tank of E85 then switch back to 93 octane, the virtual sensors will take forever to adjust the calibration back.
Originally Posted by 1994Vmax
2014+ trucks run a real alcohol sensor in the fuel line. Even the 2500HD's do as they have been that virtual trash in the past like the 1/2 ton GMT900's.
Thanks for the heads up and the info

I knew something was funny with the older flex fuel gm's. I've had a couple come in the shop with rich codes and found nothing wrong, except that they were in fact running rich. I reset the fuel adaptive tables and the problem goes away. I realized since it went away after resetting the adaptive tables that it was fueling for fuel that had high alcohol content, but didn't have fuel in the tank that had high alcohol content, so they were dumping extra fuel and they had a rich mixture due to that.
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