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Old 06-27-2011, 10:53 PM
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2010 and up have a different cam than 09 and older.

i haven;t found the exact specs yet, still lookin.

the vvt tables go both directions. advance and retard. big pain in the *** really.
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Originally Posted by Area47
2010 and up have a different cam than 09 and older.

i haven;t found the exact specs yet, still lookin.

the vvt tables go both directions. advance and retard. big pain in the *** really.
Thanks man.

I getting rid of the cam and vvt, etc and going with a boost cam.

I am just curious what the stock specs are.
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Originally Posted by gnasty1521
So what are we saying here? That deleting VVT would make for better power across the band, at the sacrifice of MPG's?
Actually, the opposite.

You get better mileage during cruise due to decreased pumping losses.

The large amount of advance ground into the cam lowers the peak power by increasing dynamic compression ratio. Good for low RPM.

The phaser allows for retard on the fly, generating higher peak HP numbers.
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Originally Posted by Area47
2010 and up have a different cam than 09 and older.

i haven;t found the exact specs yet, still lookin.

the vvt tables go both directions. advance and retard. big pain in the *** really.
Can you post one of your stock cam timing tables?

I haven't seen any advance commanded on a table yet. In my experience, the positive number was amount of cam retard. In fact, in HPTuners I believe the available range of numbers is 0-50 or something of the sort. Any advance would be negative number and wouldn't fit this range.

Now you have me confused...
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Originally Posted by Coban
Actually, the opposite.

You get better mileage during cruise due to decreased pumping losses.

The large amount of advance ground into the cam lowers the peak power by increasing dynamic compression ratio. Good for low RPM.

The phaser allows for retard on the fly, generating higher peak HP numbers.
Were you describing VVT to me? I asked about deleting it... I am confused...
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You said:

Originally Posted by gnasty1521
...That deleting VVT would make for better power across the band, at the sacrifice of MPG's?
I said:

Originally Posted by Coban
Actually, the opposite.
Because VVT helps to make better power across the band. Then proceeded to explain how.
You were right that MPGs will be sacrificed if you delete VVT.


For the record, most people don't care about VVT because they don't understand it nor its potential. They would mush rather stick with what they know and put a 3000rpm stalled converter and 220-230 range duration cam and run with it. And it'll run good. I just don't like aftermarket stalls and skipping over 1/3 to 1/2 of the rpm range. I build for relative comfort.
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it's based off crank rotation, not actual degree's.

short and sweet explanation of it

http://www.hptuners.com/forum/showthread.php?t=17883

to find out the exact advance/retard and build the tables accordingly, cam specs are needed. simply putting the 07-09 cam tables into a 10+ just pisses the truck off and drops power.
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Originally Posted by Coban
You said:



I said:



Because VVT helps to make better power across the band. Then proceeded to explain how.
You were right that MPGs will be sacrificed if you delete VVT.


For the record, most people don't care about VVT because they don't understand it nor its potential. They would mush rather stick with what they know and put a 3000rpm stalled converter and 220-230 range duration cam and run with it. And it'll run good. I just don't like aftermarket stalls and skipping over 1/3 to 1/2 of the rpm range. I build for relative comfort.
I hear a lot of "potential" talk of VVT, but no real engine numbers to state otherwise. Take MPG out of the question, what's better for faster comfort?
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Texas Speed is embracing this...

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Good info there. Might have to get a cam after all. Does VVT smooth a lopey idle too? if I cam it, I want it to at least be noticable...

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