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Cknox121 03-25-2013 11:33 PM

Drilling TB or Adjust set screw?
 
I installed a comp 216/220 Lsa 114 into my truck. Motor is Lq4 6.0, full bolt on', with stock intake mani and TB.

Met up with Justin at Black Bear Performance to correct my bad idle/stalling issue. He played with the tune for a while and we could not get it to idle right. He turned the IAC all the way up for max air at idle and it was still not wanting to idle and would still stall. He told me to clean the IAC, which I did about a month ago so I know its clean. He also told me to drill the TB blade, which I did and it still has not fixed the issue. I have went up 2 sizes from the stock hole size, using standard sized bits. Im scared to go up any larger.

The truck will crank and idle fine once warm now, used to stall and not idle, but when cold will not stay running at all. My idle is a little higher now then what I would like, but I can live with it. Im guessing thats due to drilling the TB blade, hence why I don't want to really drill it more if my idle is going to keep getting higher. He did leave the IAC or whatever you call it pretty high IIRC to help it idle once I drilled it.

So I did some searching and reading and some people are for drilling others are not. I have came up with 2 options...

1) Drill it bigger....How big is to big???

2) adjust the set screw and reset the TPS....have heard good and bad about this.

Any advise?

Thanks
-Cody

dirt track racer 81 03-26-2013 05:41 AM

Something is wrong if you have to drill that out. That's not much cam for a 6.0 to have to drill that out. I would try a new iac first..

dirt track racer 81 03-26-2013 05:43 AM

If you have to, open the throttle blade more with the set screw, you can already back that down and can't undo a hole drilled in it..

Cknox121 03-26-2013 08:06 AM


Originally Posted by dirt track racer 81 (Post 5084585)
If you have to, open the throttle blade more with the set screw, you can already back that down and can't undo a hole drilled in it..

Might try this. If that don't work might get new tb

Cknox121 03-26-2013 08:08 AM


Originally Posted by dirt track racer 81 (Post 5084584)
Something is wrong if you have to drill that out. That's not much cam for a 6.0 to have to drill that out. I would try a new iac first..

Justin at bbp couldn't get it to act right. Maybe bad iac. Not sure. He told me to drill it out. Which kinda helped when its warm but cold it's still stalling

TXsilverado 03-26-2013 09:15 AM

you really need scanning software to do it the "right" way. adjust your blade stop until your TPS sensor is reading within correct operating spec.

let the truck idle up to temp and check your IAC counts. with a cammed vehicle it should be somewhere in the 60-80ish range. slowly drill the throttle body until your IAC is within that range at idle.

in the end, i also agree that your cam is too small to need to drill on, but scan and find out for sure.

i fought the need to drill my throttle body for years. I kept reading "a real tuner can make it work without drilling" or drilling is a a "bandaid" in the end i was taking advice from people who didnt even know how to tune.

i suffered with idle tuning, and had wheatley chasing his tail for years. tried differeint MAF, throttle body, gaskets, and 10,000 different settings in the tune and after drilling he spent about 5 minutes on the tune and it was a completely different truck. i wish i took his advice and drilled from day 1. my 247/255 cam drove like a stock truck (just didnt sound stock lol)

chevrolet all the way 03-26-2013 10:43 AM

With a little 78mm tb i dont see an issue with drilling a tad. i like to adjust the throttle screw if possible to make it work. i drilled mine out just a hair and tuning became a breeze on it. i have zero issues with idle in my dd with a 230/236 112 in my 5.3

GMCtrk 03-26-2013 10:46 AM

Drilling anything With that tiny cam is flat out wrong.

TXsilverado 03-26-2013 12:24 PM


Originally Posted by GMCtrk (Post 5084679)
Drilling anything With that tiny cam is flat out wrong.

99.9% most likely. a quick check with a scanner will tell for sure.

Ferocity02 03-26-2013 02:14 PM


Originally Posted by TXsilverado (Post 5084636)
you really need scanning software to do it the "right" way. adjust your blade stop until your TPS sensor is reading within correct operating spec.

let the truck idle up to temp and check your IAC counts. with a cammed vehicle it should be somewhere in the 60-80ish range. slowly drill the throttle body until your IAC is within that range at idle.

Why is this the range to shoot for? What's the downside of being outside this range? I have adjusted my idle airflow in the tune but haven't looked at the IAC steps yet.

TXsilverado 03-26-2013 02:20 PM

not sure why...it's what i read from people that are a lot smarter than me and it worked for me haha. stock IAC steps are anround 40 IIRC.

nonnieselman 03-26-2013 03:45 PM


Originally Posted by Ferocity02 (Post 5084759)
Why is this the range to shoot for? What's the downside of being outside this range? I have adjusted my idle airflow in the tune but haven't looked at the IAC steps yet.

prolly cause it gives it the widest range of adjustment.. get it too high or to low and it cant handle a surge? just my first thought.

On my buddys 5.3 truck we have tried everything, even swapped my TB and sensors over to it and played with the tune. nothing works for a baby cammed 5.3 trying to get it to idle. so im thinking of drilling out the blade. i have a spare from my samurai if screw it up.

Ferocity02 03-26-2013 03:52 PM


Originally Posted by nonnieselman (Post 5084803)
prolly cause it gives it the widest range of adjustment.. get it too high or to low and it cant handle a surge? just my first thought.

On my buddys 5.3 truck we have tried everything, even swapped my TB and sensors over to it and played with the tune. nothing works for a baby cammed 5.3 trying to get it to idle. so im thinking of drilling out the blade. i have a spare from my samurai if screw it up.

Strange. Mine idles perfectly fine, even with bone stock tune (with the idle raised up a bit) and the stock TB. I have noticed that throttle cracker can sometimes cause a surging idle, but only when moving. Adjusting the idle spark correction also helped a bit.

Ferocity02 03-26-2013 07:49 PM

I just looked today and mine was idling at 92-95 steps when hot.

Cknox121 03-28-2013 10:20 AM

I just find it weird that Justin couldn't get it to idle right if y'all saying its in the tune...

Gunna try a new IAC, maybe it is bad?? Any way to test it? What brand would y'all recommend? They are over a hundred new from speakership, and eBay has a few cheap ones.


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