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Old Aug 26, 2022 | 09:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Topfuel67
I made a mistake on my tire size. They're 265/75/16. I did not do any tire size calibrations with the Diablo.
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gotcha. that's about a 4% difference in speed, odometer, and fuel mileage. made a few hundred rpm difference on the highway when i first tuned my nv3500 truck after the previous owner didn't recalibrate for the new tires he mounted (also 245/75-16 to 265/75-16).

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My point about the manual trans and changing the rear gears is I can still have superior starting gear with the NV4500 5.2x3.21 starting, far better than 3.73 or even 4.11x2.48. Then if the 3.21 is too low, especially towing, for the o/d I can simply down shift into 4th and be at 1:1.
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i think what might be missed in this argument is that the NV4500 (or any other transmission of the sort) 1st gear - even with the 3.21s - will still only get you to ~10 or 15mph before needing to shift, loaded or not. that's really short for a practical DD application, and the way they're synchronized, you'll have to be stopped to downshift into it... meaning you'll need to slip 2nd more from a slow roll to keep from lugging (and getting into the power enrichment mentioned above). that's why i believe your best compromise here is to keep your 3.73s because you ain't quite got the low torque to justify 3.42s with the kind of weight you move.

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We threw all the tools, spare parts, floor jack, spare tire/rim etc. in the rear of the loaded expedition and got out of there. Yeah, we realized our error and pulled over and moved everything from the back of the expedition into the sub. It was better, but still squirrely over 55. Also more evidence that my speedometer is off.
the squirreliness wasn't from your speedometer being off or from having the tools in the back of one vehicle vs the other; i'm pretty sure it was from having the expedition too far back on the trailer (in relation to the trailer axles). you want to center it over the axles & then pull forward a little bit more.

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I know there are two different NBS tahoes in here that have the NV4500 swap. One responded and not sure if he has the 2wd or the 4wd, or if that even matters. I think one of em needed the slightest massaging on the trans tunnel, (but only to give some transmission (case) shifting clearance).

The NV4500 came behind the 6.0, 8.1 and 6.6 diesel in the 2500 and 3500. The 6spd was only an optional upgrade.

I've got a NV4500 out of a 2000, (with the lower top) sitting 50 ft away, if measuring anything on it might help.
dirtydan's tahoe is 2wd, and the denali is 4wd (swapped from AWD). the difference is the tailhousing length. the tunnel don't need clearance if you get the OBS lid (or even with the NBS lid... it's just a LOT tighter in & out because the shift tower is taller.) gee whiz info for other 4x4 folks: it also uses the same 32spline output as the NV3500 & 4L80 and is roughly the same length, so it'll direct-swap to the stock transfer case just fine.

the only big blocks or diesels that had the NV4500 were OBS (454 & 6.5) and dodges (v10 & 5.9 cummins); never was paired to the 8.1 or duramax from the factory due to torque input ratings (not that it couldn't actually handle it, though).

Originally Posted by Topfuel67
I'm still several months to a few months from doing this. I'll wait until the weather gets cold in December/Jan when its in the 60s. I did just find a 1995 NV4500 from a 10,000 mile truck complete with bellhousing and hydraulics for 1000.00. I also watched a youtube video on rebuilding them. Doesn't seem too difficult. I've rebuilt Muncies and it seems like pretty much the same process. Just slightly bigger gears and clips.
so long as it's an MW3 from a GM, that 95 trans should work because it's got the synchronized 1st/reverse + internal slave + the correct lid for your body height. the hydraulics are different, though. you'll want to get the 01-02 master/line/slave... or even better is the 03-06 setup where you can do the same old F-body drill mod on the line & get better return flow when you let off the pedal.

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It would be like finding a needle in the haystack to find a 6.0 with a nv4500 at auction. They didn't make many. That would be such a huge find for me as I have my Silverado with a 4.8l that has some mystery vacuum leak. Finding a 6.0 for that and a nv4500 in one shot would be nice. Plus all the other donor parts I need.
they made plenty... it's just that people keep them when they can.
also, you'd still want to change the transmission lid to the OBS version to make your install easier.

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Old Aug 28, 2022 | 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted by wretched73
What fantasy world do you live in where your 8.1 gets anywhere near 18 mpg? That is a blatantly obvious lie.
It gets 18 mpg on the highway with the cruise set at 70-75 mph.. Low rpm at cruising speed and lean cruise. The 8.1 does not even have to break a sweat to move the Tahoe. The 99 Tahoe is more than 1,000 lbs lighter than anything that came with an 8.1 from the factory. Also as I mentioned before TUNE is a large part of it.

The 8.1 cargo van the dealership owned that I drove for 4 months years ago averaged 14 mpg. It was a standard wheel base with 4.10 gears. They always made their drivers keep a log of mileage driven daily and fuel pumped out of the tank on site. Loaded down 8.1 van got 14 mpg in mixed driving, whats hard to believe about a much lighter Tahoe with taller overall gearing (equivalent to 3.08 with the taller tires) getting 18 all highway.
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Old Aug 28, 2022 | 04:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Fast355
It gets 18 mpg on the highway with the cruise set at 70-75 mph.. Low rpm at cruising speed and lean cruise. The 8.1 does not even have to break a sweat to move the Tahoe. The 99 Tahoe is more than 1,000 lbs lighter than anything that came with an 8.1 from the factory. Also as I mentioned before TUNE is a large part of it.

The 8.1 cargo van the dealership owned that I drove for 4 months years ago averaged 14 mpg. It was a standard wheel base with 4.10 gears. They always made their drivers keep a log of mileage driven daily and fuel pumped out of the tank on site. Loaded down 8.1 van got 14 mpg in mixed driving, whats hard to believe about a much lighter Tahoe with taller overall gearing (equivalent to 3.08 with the taller tires) getting 18 all highway.
99 is an OBS tahoe. Is that a 2dr Tahoe? A 2dr OBS tahoe weighs the same as a ext cab NBS pickup. Every time we read about an 8.1 it's because someone has big tires and quick gears to help it. With reasonable tires, highway gearing and a tune for it, I could see 18mpg.
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Old Aug 28, 2022 | 05:54 PM
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Pics of said 99 Tahoe with 8.1 would be cool. I like 2 doors despite the “Less Whorez” ability
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Old Aug 28, 2022 | 09:03 PM
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Originally Posted by dantheman1540
Pics of said 99 Tahoe with 8.1 would be cool. I like 2 doors despite the “Less Whorez” ability
Mine is a 4 door LT. When I am over at the shop next I will take some pictures.

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Old Aug 29, 2022 | 09:00 PM
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i was actually just looking at a 99 2door for sale the other day... too rusty underneath and only 2wd.
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Old Aug 30, 2022 | 10:54 AM
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I've seen some of those 95 2 doors come in 2WD and a 5 speed manual. I would get one of those if it weren't for needing 10,000 lb towing capacity for my car hauler.
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Everyone who thinks that brick with an 8.1 gets 18mpg, please let me know what drugs you are on. I really want them.
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Old Aug 30, 2022 | 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Topfuel67
I've seen some of those 95 2 doors come in 2WD and a 5 speed manual. I would get one of those if it weren't for needing 10,000 lb towing capacity for my car hauler.
There was one that was pretty clean with the 5.7 and 5spd, white, AZ car for $4500 almost 10 years ago, and I didn't get it because I didn't want a third vehicle. I know those are hard to come by, and that's probably the one vehicle I shouldn't have passed on. I would pay two to three times that right now for that same thing.
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Old Aug 30, 2022 | 07:05 PM
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Originally Posted by wretched73
Everyone who thinks that brick with an 8.1 gets 18mpg, please let me know what drugs you are on. I really want them.
My more aerodynamic brick with an engine 40% smaller doesn't get but 15 on a good day anymore lol
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