we picked up roller for pretty cheap and have been working on a 6.0/4l80e/twin set up. probably wont be running for a few more months but things are coming along.

it is starting to look like something. got the motor and tranny mounts made, motor is bolted in. got the cooling system done. the accesory system is done. the headers are mostly done. going to get dimentions for the twin throttle body t next weekend and get it on the way from intakeelbows.com. got the drain fittings welded on the pan. got the charge pipe stuff ordered up, working on some coil mounts. it is going to be a staged duel fuel 87octane/meth with no intercooler. :) http://www.neufamily.org/images/67novagallery/index_3.htm

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the plan is to push the 6.0 till it blows. many trips to the dyno/track while bumping the power each time. watch the tune closely, monitor/log everything. it is a group project, the same group as the fairmont but it is my personal goal to push this 6.0 to it's limit. no idea if it will get there but i am hoping to get into the high 8's with the stock 6.0. seems like that would be a big deal if we can do it.:nod:

this will be a good test of a low buck duel fuel. going to run 4 36lb injectors with pump gas and 8 160lb injectors with meth. it will run on just pump gas most of the time and phase over to the meth as the power comes on. also going to try running a microsquirt to control the tranny. not sure how that part of the project works but thats what the smart guys are for:D going to run the emspro for the ecm. it is a juiced up megasquirt. we are also going to try and run the ignition directly with the emspro(no msd box).

That thing is a sexy beast!! Good luck on the quest for 8s:headbang:

That thing is gonna be Nasty!!!

Another COOL project. Looks like a lot of fun to be had.

Oh man, this is to cool, I'm now think about moving to NE just to be able to help you with this and be a part of it! LOL Your after my own heart, with gas AND methanol. :hail: Are you going to put the 4 gas injectors in the intake elbow, or where?

I've always loved the ChevyII Wagons. One really cool project.:thumb:

Edit: Makes me think of an old friends wagon i've heard stories about from back in the 80's. 327, 4 speed saginaw, skinny bias plys with the threads and the sidewalls torn loose from hard launces thus they wrinkle, and a half the rear tail gate filled with concrete. Claimed to pull the front wheels knee high on the street. He did eat many trany's though, but back then they were $40 at the scrap heap.

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I noticed that motor is blocking your door there. If you are still working on that new garage and just want that out of your way give me a heads up, I am sure I can move some stuff around and find a place for it. :)

I noticed that motor is blocking your door there. If you are still working on that new garage and just want that out of your way give me a heads up, I am sure I can move some stuff around and find a place for it. :)

haha, yeah, i will sell that to you for $100:devil:. it does have a little crack in one of the cylinder walls but i am sure it is fine:D. we just used that to mock up with. i use the heads to hold the header flanges flat as i weld. it is all junk.

yes, we hope to put the 4 pump gas injectors in the "t". that part of the project is going to be interesting.

That is a cool project, what interests me is the different tuning you are getting into. Can you give a brief description of how you control the 4 injectors for cruise and what you are able to set up to bring in the methanol based on MAP or lbs/min? Do you use an additional program for scanning and logging or is it all done through megasquirt?

wat cool jim. what happened to the other project?

this one is way cooler

That is a cool project, what interests me is the different tuning you are getting into. Can you give a brief description of how you control the 4 injectors for cruise and what you are able to set up to bring in the methanol based on MAP or lbs/min? Do you use an additional program for scanning and logging or is it all done through megasquirt?

i am excited about this part of the project too. it would apear to be really simple but untill we have it running i can't say for sure.

the squirt has 2 injector drivers. you can control them all together on one ve map, you can control them seperately with 2 ve maps, you can jump from one ve map to the other when you spray. lost of options with the 2 drivers and the 2 ve maps.

it appers to be as simple as running the pump gas on one ve and the meth on another ve map. for those not familure with a ve map it is just a way to control fuel. it have manifold presure on one axis and rpm on the other with a ve number out in the middle. the ve number controls the amount of fuel that is added.

we will have the meth ve map(driver/injectors) set to 0 on the ve table untill we want them to start working. i would say anything under 120kpa, thats something like 3psi. the pump gas ve map(driver/injectors) will do all of the fueling up to that point and then fade to 0 as the map goes up and at the same time the meth map with go form 0 ve an rise quickly to take over the fueling needs. we have bench tested it and it works there. we are a little worried about how much current one driver can handle. running 8 low z injectors or even more than that eventualy may burn up the squirt but that is part of what we want to test. if it does draw too much we can add current capasity but really want to try and stock squirt/emspro first.

wat cool jim. what happened to the other project?

this one is way cooler


if your talking about the fairmont it is still around. we are going to the track with it in a couple of weeks. waiting/hopeing to get on pinks with it.

does anyone else find it ironic that Jim is building up a nova wagon which is the same vehicle that what's his face got disqualified in the first drag week against the blue truck?

For some reason I think this one will be faster and cheaper :chug:

does anyone else find it ironic that Jim is building up a nova wagon which is the same vehicle that what's his face got disqualified in the first drag week against the blue truck?

For some reason I think this one will be faster and cheaper :chug:

LOL! I was thinking the same thing. It was bad ass. 8 sec car from what I remember.

Pinks and the Wagon!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:D

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we got a lot done this weekend. intake pipes, oil feed lines, drain lines, coil mounts, plug wires, got the t measured up, got some race mufflers ordered. still a lot to do but it is nice to see things moving along.

i think it is looking tuff.

looks great!

Is that 2 throttle bodies? What are they going into?

That looks VERY NICE :D :thumb:!!!

hey I've got a question . . . why have the intakes on the turbos right in-front of the radiator, vs out to the sides like your old truck setup?

Was there not enough space ?

there is going to be a double elbow or a T fitting going into the intake. it will also have 4 injectors plumbed into it.

we are going for the cleanest and meanest look we can get and faceing the inlets inward is just how it worked out. we are going to try leting hot air hit the filters and down the road maybe build a box around them to the hood and put a hole in the hood. since we are using meth as our fuel i dont think a little extra heat will hurt us but it might.

it looks more done than it is. it could be running in a month or two but we will still need a tranny, tranny controler, converter and driveshaft at that point and dont have a ton of money to throw at it. that part of the project is going to be expensive i think.

hey what kind of turbos & size your running im planning on going twin on my 370ci. 6.0 also... look killer that set-up parish.

we are going to start with a set of sc61's. the only reason we went with that turbo is i had one laying around. we hope we max them out eventualy and have to upgrade later.

Looks real good Jim. The way you are gonna fuel that thing is very interesting. I commend you and your attitude not to tie yourself down to the "norm"... developing your own setup.

The wagon is cool :)

Bill :cheers:

nice fab, put them where you want and build it! dual Throttle bodies?

I like the way you are planning the dual fuel set up. There is a guy over on Turbobuick.com that has a similar staged fuel system to what you are going with except his setup transitions from pump gas to race gas when it gets into boost.

Thats badass Jim, you've really got a knack for puttin some awesome and intriguing combo's. keep up the good work man, lookin forward to this one.

Thats a mean setup, I cant wait to see how the Meth works out for you.

Are you going to run strait meth on the secondary fuel system, or are you going to try E85?

a little closer...

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Looks great.

Awesome!!! :D:D:D

Very creative!

im still interested on the non intercooled...i know meth helps with cooling the boost but would there be any loss to not running an intercooler on this with meth being the promary fuel?

dont even try and pretend that this isnt one of the coolest things ever:D

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i dont have that unit yet but it is on the way. i am thrilled with how that turned out. now we need to figure out a way to make the tb's not look so dull and dirty. arron at intakeelbows.com made that for us. he said that he isn't really looking for this type of work but did it for us anyways. said it takes a lot of time compared to a normal elbow. some day i hope to be able to weld aluminum 1/2 that well. :D

i will post up more pics once it shows and we fit it on the car.

dont even try and pretend that this isnt one of the coolest things ever:D

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i dont have that unit yet but it is on the way. i am thrilled with how that turned out. now we need to figure out a way to make the tb's not look so dull and dirty. arron at intakeelbows.com made that for us. he said that he isn't really looking for this type of work but did it for us anyways. said it takes a lot of time compared to a normal elbow. some day i hope to be able to weld aluminum 1/2 that well. :D

i will post up more pics once it shows and we fit it on the car.

Looks good. Go to the parts store and get some Mag wheel cleaner. It is a mild acid. It will make those TB's look like new again. You will have to remove the grease first. I use the mag cleaner on all non-polished aluminum.

Dang, I need one of those. I didn't know you could put the throttles on the wrong side of a turbo.
I could put my Whipple injectors in it, too.:jest:

YOU GUYS FUKING ROCK....... PERIOD


John

That is just toooooooo cool :cool: I love it!! just what I was thinking it would look like :)

That is really cool, arron is the man for aluminum welding. What kind of times are you expecting to run?

Dayumn... thats tits Jim. Noticed one TB upside down... you gonna make some cool ass linkage to go with that art work?

Aaron does great work!

Bill :cheers:

im still interested on the non intercooled...i know meth helps with cooling the boost but would there be any loss to not running an intercooler on this with meth being the promary fuel?

Our chassis guy is the crew chief for Brent Rau. Brent runs a single turbo, 2.0, 99 Mitsubishi Eclipse with a best time of 6.94@198.47 on his non intercooled 4 banger. Brent was the guy who told me to yank off my a/w aftercooler and just use my w/m injection for intercooling. He wasn't wrong. I'm now switching over to E85 as well. Jim will do great this year, as always, but I heard they cancelled Drag Week where I was hoping to meet him this year.

you gonna make some cool ass linkage to go with that art work?

Aaron does great work!

Bill :cheers:

Thats what i was wondering also. Are you gonna do some kind of progressive linkage or are you gonna make them open at the same rate/time?

i dont know if drag week is going to happen or not but if it does go down i will be there with something.

we are going to try just linking them together. have them open at the same time. might be kinda twichy and if it is maybe work on a progresive set up on the pedal.

That's pretty sweet.

Looks good, would a 1050 style tb been easier, or did you do this for the bad assery award....? Loving it....

Looks good, would a 1050 style tb been easier, or did you do this for the bad assery award....? Loving it....


i dont know what that is but i am pretty sure we would still need a t of some kind to connect the two sides.

http://www.dougherbert.com/1000cfmsquareflangethrottlebody-p-19366.html

Something like this, guess its a 1000 not 1050? No many use them, not sure why? If its a wiring thing, or price?

thats a nice unit but i dont see how it would help us. still need a T and something to hold the injectors.

http://www.dougherbert.com/1000cfmsquareflangethrottlebody-p-19366.html

Something like this, guess its a 1000 not 1050? No many use them, not sure why? If its a wiring thing, or price?

Doesn't look as cool as the twin tb though, lol ;)

god i love that year jim... thats one helluva project

That is a crazy looking setup. I cant wait to see it bolted to the car.

This thread makes me happy in pants. :D I can't wait to see what you do with this!

Any updates? I know your garage is priority 1. Just curious.

havent really messed with it lately. i am hopeing to have it parked in the new garage in a month or so. then we will get back to it.

Parish,

Do you have any pictures of the manifolds/logs that you can share? Do you have any pics with the motor out of the car? Very nice setup BTW!

Josh

lots of pics here>> http://www.neufamily.org/images/67novagallery/index_3.htm

nice !! what are you gonna do about the dowm pipes being infront of the a arms etc.. just straight dumping them??

we are going to start out by dumping them. cheap and easy. later we might run them thru the top of inside part of the fenders and all the way long the rockers to dump near the back wheels. i prefer a quiet car but all that metal adds up so we are not going to do it right now.

wow i just saw the t for tb's , that is something that is just downright bad ass. i love how he made the mini fuel rail and injectors bungs.

did he see how the spray patteren would be ? im curious as to how well it will distrbute fuel evenly. hopefully its far enough away that it will atomize fairly well.

i am sure it will be fine. that is for the pump gas just puting around fueling. arron did a nice job on that t!

so the port injectors are for the methonol? NICE

Another great project Jim.

that is bad ass.... im doing something similar to the fairmont but now your giving me ideas :)

another inspirational project from the neufeld group. very nice.

any updates ?

any updates ?

the car got put aside once i started the garage. last weekend we started messing with it for the first time in months. got the rest of the hot parts welded up. got some fuel system parts in the mail today along with some vacume line. going to weld on the bov's tomorrow. we could be test fireing it pretty soon but without a secondary fuel system or any driveline.

maybe i will get a few new pics up tomorrow.

the car got put aside once i started the garage. last weekend we started messing with it for the first time in months. got the rest of the hot parts welded up. got some fuel system parts in the mail today along with some vacume line. going to weld on the bov's tomorrow. we could be test fireing it pretty soon but without a secondary fuel system or any driveline.

maybe i will get a few new pics up tomorrow.

good deal . . . what did you end up doing for a linkage?

awesomeee

got a few things done yesterday.

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finished up the primary fuel system. got the bov's done, ran the vacume lines, working on the meth fuel system, cooling system is about done, accesory belt is on. got all the right springs in the wg's and bov's. most of what is done in the pic is done for good, if all goes well it wont have to come apart again.

That all looks SWEET :thumb:, but ya think your gona have enough fuel pump for the thing??? :jest:

That all looks SWEET :thumb:, but ya think your gona have enough fuel pump for the thing??? :jest:

we are going to start with 5 for now. 4 of them running on a voltage booster. that should hold us for a little while:D. i really hate the big pumps. they are expensive, loud, unreliable and move too much fuel most of the time. with multiple smaller pumps we are going to stage then turn on points so there is never a ton coming back thru the return line and it will be very quiet.

What size are the meth injectors?

What size are the meth injectors?


right now 72's because it is what we had laying around. we are thinking about puting one 160 in each intake tube. 8x72 + 2x160 = 896lb's of fuel. that would be something like 700+rwhp worth of meth. that would be about right for a stock motor. later when we step up to a built motor we will probably end up with 10 160's.

That just looks.........:drool::thumb:

you know what this means! :D :D , 4am last night with no exhaust :lol:

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it will still be awhile before we get to take it for a drive but i always get excited when we get to fire it up for the first time.

Where the hell is the video!!!

Damn what a setup! Bound to be some hiccups along the way but props for thinking out of the box :hail:

Sweet! :thumb: that dude is holding a fire extinguisher... something not going right, or just a precaution? :lol:

Sweet! :thumb: that dude is holding a fire extinguisher... something not going right, or just a precaution? :lol:

Man, there's 5 fuel pumps! He should have had at least one!:jest:

Was Kyle there for some video? :secret2:

Was Kyle there for some video? :secret2:


no kyle or video. it was 4 in the morning:D.

This is awesome Jimbo..

I would have had a bigger fire extinguisher tho... :D


What transmission are yall goin with? Id have to guess Powerglide or TH400?

thinking 4l80, if i only knew some good tranny guys...:D

:jest:

Jim - That thing is lookin' great. :thumb:

thinking 4l80, if i only knew some good tranny guys...:D

Ha, i reread the first post and saw that...

I wonder if Vince can hook you up??

so how did it run on the initial startup? evidently no serious issues?

so how did it run on the initial startup? evidently no serious issues?

well... that is kind of a funny story. we got the primary fuel system done, oil lines done, cooling system done. coils and plug wires done. the rest of the ignition and computer is not done.

to get it started we just pluged in an msd set up and provided power to the injectors. then by hand grounded the other side of the injectors. we were able to modulate the injector fireing just fine by hand to get it fired up and idleing.

i got a pair of 3.5" stainless bullets on the way. going to weld those in along with a wideband bung so we can see where the a/f ratio is. i think in about 2 weeks we will actualy have it running for real. with the computer and all.

NO wonder you had a fire extinguisher on hand, :lol:

hahahah but it worked! that's awesome

thinking 4l80, if i only knew some good tranny guys...:D

I would check the site sponsor list > or even ebay! :secret2:

I would check the site sponsor list > or even ebay! :secret2:

i went to the finish line transmissions site and found a pic of this sweet truck:D

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we ran into a little snag that we had to work thru.

we got it running on the squirt but no matter what we did it was missing, lean miss, buring our eyes. after trying a few things we determined out injectors were shooting too much fuel right down the outside 4 cylinders. we tried diferent injectors but that didn't help. ran down to 28lb units with 6 holes wich should be pretty fine mist but it was still just shooting right across the elbow and into the oposite cylinder.

we tried a few ways of deflecting the fuel to help it dispurse better and it helped. reflecting the fuel with a small plate so it ended up shooting almost strait up got it running the best so we welded 4 small plates right in front of the injectors.

now it starts and ildes and revs well on the 4 elbow injectors.:D we also got the tranny and converter in along with the shift kit. driveshaft is measured up. parts are on the way for the big fuel system. might get to goto the dyno in a couple of weeks.

Sweet! :thumb:

Sick build!!! I have an older truckin' mag that they welded 2 injectors into a custom buil tbung roght in front of the throttle body to kick in under boost on a 4.3. I'm not sure if you could use the current t but if it still gives you problems I don't see why you couldn't use one throttle body at the manifold and put the 4 injectors in the top of the T pointed into the throttle body. That should help with the fuel problem. just my 2 pennies...... STILL A SICK BUILD!!

I can't believe I forgot about this project! It's come a long ways since the last time I checked. Looking forward to the finished product, and some vids.

:thumb:

What an awsome build! I love seeing custom setups like this. Keep up the good work. I'll be following this one for sure!

10 days since last post.... whats the latest Jimbo??

i went to the finish line transmissions site and found a pic of this sweet truck:D

http://www.finishlinetrans.com/images/flash/fltTitleParish.jpg

Personally I like this one better, except for something is wrong with my front end apparently.:eyes: Hey a man can dream can't he?
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I'm a sucker for Arrival blue and tire smoke. Sounds interesting playing with fuel spray. Glad to see you guys worked through it. I'm looking forward to the dyno results.:D

10 days since last post.... whats the latest Jimbo??

waiting on the driveshaft and a couple of fuel line fittings. it is real close to being ready for the dyno.

Personally I like this one better, except for something is wrong with my front end apparently.:eyes: Hey a man can dream can't he?
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I'm a sucker for Arrival blue and tire smoke. Sounds interesting playing with fuel spray. Glad to see you guys worked through it. I'm looking forward to the dyno results.:D

:sigh::P

hahahahahaha

waiting on the driveshaft and a couple of fuel line fittings. it is real close to being ready for the dyno.


You better have us some video, you know we dont have anything else better to do..
:D

we tried a few ways of deflecting the fuel to help it dispurse better and it helped. reflecting the fuel with a small plate so it ended up shooting almost strait up got it running the best so we welded 4 small plates right in front of the injectors.

.....now it starts and ildes and revs well on the 4 elbow injectors.

Jim,

Do you have any pictures of how you re-distributed the fuel spray better on the elbow's injectors? I'd like to see how you did it for future elbows. I've had a few guys want some similar to yours, but I'd like to get a better plan on positioning the injectors.

Check these pics out:
http://www.fuelinjectorclinic.com/pics/spray2.jpg
http://www.fuelinjectorclinic.com/pics/spray.jpg


It would be nice if there was a company out there that makes/modifies injectors that specifically spray a really wide pattern for placement other than pointing directly at the intake valve.

The wagon is looking bitchin' man, good work.

hey aaron. we didnt get any pics. our aluminum welding skills suck, we didn't want to post up pics of out nasty tabs welded to that killer looking elbow. all we did was weld a 1/2" x 1/2" square tab right in front of the hole. the fuel stream hits the tab almost squarely but is deflected up maybe a little. runs good now.

we did try a few diferent injectors. one of wich is suppose to have a wide pattern. one set was "try cone", another set had 6 very small holes. first set was just one large hole.

got a few new pics.

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Can I get some details on that 4l80e converter you are running?

Looks like the same trans cooler that killed my tranny...

WTH is the do-hicky next to the BOV?

Looks like the same trans cooler that killed my tranny...

WTH is the do-hicky next to the BOV?


please explain the cooler thing. why do you think it killed your tranny? i have used this cooler on several projects now with no issues.

that is in extra injector. we wanted to put a pair up stream to help give the meth time to work. i dont know if it will help but if nothing else it will give us a little more capasity with our fuel system. there will be 10 alcohol injectors.

Can I get some details on that 4l80e converter you are running?


ohhh soo pretty:D >> http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/automatic-transmission/1050364-circle-d-new-4l80-multi-disk-billet.html

I'm the only one that I've heard of that had an issue with the cooler.

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On the way home from work one day, my trans got up to 250 deg. I got it home and idled the truck in park, trans oil temp went up. I quickly pulled the grill, used a water hose and soaked the cooler (while still idling) That is when I noticed the water boiling off one line and not the other. Touched the line with my hand it was COLD. Long story short, trans cooler plugged and it took the trans out.

you might be right but i see it more likely that the tranny went out and sent debri everywhere wich pluged up the cooler. the only thing that can plug the cooler is debri from the tranny. kind of the chicken or the egg debate.

Are you not worried about the Blowoff venting fuel and air out then it pops? Just a thought...

Every once in a while it would make a noise while backing up after the over heat. Trans didnt actually let go until about 5 months later...
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Reaction carrier planet died, lack of oil. Plates and disks looked good, trans was pretty clean.

Like I said, I'm the only one I've heard of, but I personally will never buy another aftermarket plate style cooler.

The car is BAD ass, got any more pics of the inside?

Are you not worried about the Blowoff venting fuel and air out then it pops? Just a thought...


yeah, we could have planed that better but that is how it worked out. i have seen many alkey injection set ups that sprayed before the bov including my truck. there wont be a lot of fuel. i will let you know if it blows up.

we wanted to get a little fuel upstream of the intake to give it time to cool the charge air.

Can you flip that pipe so the blow off valve is in front of the injector? Of course that is that much less time for the air/meth to mix and cool.

it would mess up the look if we did that. i am not too worried about it. it wont be spraying much meth at all. it will be all vapor and shut off as the tb is closing. considering the air will be hot and a large volume of it and just one injector i think the mixture will be real thin and not even visable when it blows off. those injectors will only be on above 5psi.

on the flip side if we see fuel spraying out when we let off then i will re work it.

got our first vid. nothing special, almost ready to drive >> http://www.neufamily.org/vids/novavids/1stnovavid.wmv

got some stickers on the car:D

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Classic! :rock::rock::rock:

:jest: at least you got the most important part, the cup holder, ;)

That cup holder is probably worth .2 in the 1/4 :P

Well, I don't see any floor mats yet so at least he's learned that lesson!! :P

Looks incredible Jim!

just did our first test with the phased injection. it seems to be working.

the set up is 4 injectors on the elbow running on pump gas for our daily driving and then 10 injectors for when we are under boost. thinking very high hp but putting around on pump gas 99% of the time. 800+rwhp always right there when you need it:D

just sitting here in the garage i was able to fade off the 4 primary injectors and fade in the 10 secondary injectors. at first the 10 were completely off and the 4 did all of the fueling and by 4000rpm the 4 were off and the 10 were doing all of the fueling.

with just free reving it the transition is a little harsh. the 10 secondary injectors wont fire at low ve numbers. they dont even try to fire till the pw is over 1ms. i figure we wont be using these unless we are up around 4psi and be fully faded to them by 7psi and at those airflows i dont think there will be much if any hickup when they fade over.

dyno on monday if all goes well.

Sound like its gonna work nicely!! Looking forward to the resultss

Man that is an awesome ride, looking forward to the dyno numbers. Love the beer, i mean drink holder :lol:

Awesome build guys! Any updates?

haven't been getting a lot done lately but things are coming along. had to work threw a few problems.

the 4 injectors in the elbow didn't work well. we were getting lean farts and big back fires at the same time. a/f ratio was all over the place. you can see where we put a plastic cover over one of the tb holes so we could look in there. we tried a few things but it wasn't working well.

after that we decided to just do 2 full sets of injectors on the intake. we did most of the work ourselves and it turned out nice. had to get a little help finish welding the bungs. also had to do a little wiring to the squirt to support 16+ injectors.

we had a mishap that could have been ugly. when putting the squirt together one of the components on the board got pushed over and caused a malfunction. the 8 primary injectors were permanently grounded. that means any time the key was turned on the pump would prime and power would go to the hot side of the injectors and fuel would just flow into the engine. all we knew was we couldn't build any fuel pressure so we turned it on and off something like 20 times. after we figured out the pumps were pumping and the fuel was going somewhere we kind of got freaked out. where did all of that fuel go? oh shit....

we pulled one plug and fuel poured out like a garden hose, and it kept pouring out for awhile. soo, next we found the squirt problem and fixed it, pulled all the plugs, drained the gas out of the cylinders, changed the oil and the plugs. fired it up and retuned for 8 primary injectors.

now it fires right up, idles smooth and quiet revs nice and clean. a/f ratio is steady, tuning is easy. WE ARE NOW READY TO HIT UP THE DYNO(or street if we were all legal)!! woohoo!

it is starting to look kinda busy under the hood but i think it still looks good.

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Instant hardon

+1 looks awesome

That is looking WAY good dude!!!

First off I want to say YOU ARE A PIONEER.Actually most the guys on this board are big props to everyone.Im sorry its been asked or answered but what gives with the elaborate injection system.I know you don't have an intercooler but isn't there a cheaper way.

one word, SICK

First off I want to say YOU ARE A PIONEER.Actually most the guys on this board are big props to everyone.Im sorry its been asked or answered but what gives with the elaborate injection system.I know you don't have an intercooler but isn't there a cheaper way.

there are lots of ways to do it, some cheaper than others. we built what we wanted to build because we thought it might be a challenge and make it more interesting. last year we put something like 150gallons of race fuel into the fairmont. most of it was wasted driving to and from the track or idling in the pits/staging lanes.

there are other options like e85,e98,meth as the only fuel.

i like the idea of rolling around on 91 octane gas 99% of the time, filling up anywhere, then having 1500hp on tap at the push of a pedal. nothing to do but push down on the pedal. :D

... nothing to do but push down on the pedal. :D
That's how it should be. When there is much more required from the driver than that, that is a sign of poor or incomplete engineering. Good job.

That's how it should be. When there is much more required from the driver than that, that is a sign of poor or incomplete engineering. Good job.

This is true for a street car/truck.
That is why I probably will not run meth system,nitrous,or race gas.
Now don't get me wrong I think those systems are great jus not for me at this point.Hell the truck dosent hook for shit anyways.So no need to harness every ounce of power.
I wish I could get some numbers out of this thing cause I think everyone would be pleasantly surprised with a truck that hauls ass with all the wrong parts.

... that is a sign of poor or incomplete engineering. Good job.

This is true for a street car/truck...
I should have added rules, like in drag racing classes that they don't allow computers, or NASCAR. All of the switches and levers these guys have could be computer controlled, and they could be drinking coffee and listening to the radio while they race.

I knew what you ment.Since having a car with transbrake w/nitrous that's jus to many bells and whistles for me on the sreet.Don't get me wrong launching was fun jus not practical.

Am I correct in that there is 22 fuel injectors (present, but not necessarily functioning) on that complete intake setup, minus anything to do with the nitrous.



Sometimes taking complicated things and making them look simple is cool. But sometimes, leaving the obvious complication in full view, is equally as awesome, if not more so.

You talk about it like it was easy and simple to do, but I think I would be lost just trying to figure out where all the lines and connections go.

I have to say, reading some of your early stuff, to what you have done now, truly inspires the simple minded like me to achieve more! Congrats, thank you and please keep it up.

holy fuckzilla i continue to be in awe of your progress.

I can't think of anything to say..

Sick project, you guys always impress me with the sick builds!!!!

Wow is all I can say. I wish I had just the fuel system knowledge. That is the greatest idea of 99% of the time regular gas and with the push of the pedal it just flows into alcohol. Awesome just awesome.

right now there are 18 injectors wired up and ready to run. the 4 on the hat might get plumed/wired back in some day.

we made it to the dyno today. working thru the tune with the primary fuel system/injectors was easy. got up to about 5psi on pump gas. dyno was showing 402hp at 5500rpm and 5psi and was still going up fast. not bad for no intercooler and not peeking out yet. timing was at a conservative 15deg.

then trying to do the fuel phase we ran into problems. we could get the 2nd system to come on and the 1st to fade. seemed like it was going to work but once it tried going 100 to the 2nd set up it would start pulsing. i suspect one bank of the injectors were not on at all but it was too late to look into it.

kyle got some vid but i dont know if there was anything exciting enough to mess with. i will post up a pic of the log later.

damn thats sick man. i've been kind of out of the loop for the past couple of years. what did you do with the truck?

He sold it and it's running around down in Mexico I think.

kyle got a few new pics of the car while we were at the dyno >> http://www.1320video.com/gallery/DynoSport4-25?page=2

dang that thing stuffs the rear tires!!

dang that thing stuffs the rear tires!!


:D:D:D

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That's crazy looking... Hard to believe they don't rub. :eek2:

very fun day at the dyno today. we suspected a problem with our 2nd fuel system and to confirm this we wanted to just tune the car on that system. sure enough it wasn't tuning well. sounded like it was running on 4cylinder once we got off idle. heat gun confirmed this. dynotom busted out his hand held duel trace scope :headbang: and hooked up to one injector on each bank and right away showed we were not geting the "peek" of the peek and hold on one bank. fucking squirt :lol: this made us very happy since now we know what our problem is.

the phased fuel is going to be easy and work well once we get that fixed.

just to have some fun and to test out the rest of our 2nd fuel system we hooked up the injector harness from our primary fuel system to our 2nd fuel system and made a few runs. this means we were running off of only the 8 injectors that are higher up in the runner and we were running off of the big fuel system and on race gas. even though the car will never idle on these injectors it still idled pretty good and was easy to tune.

numbers... 508rwhp(mustang) at 10psi, no intercooler, 214deg peek iats. this was on race gas. we plan on running on meth, not race gas. meth should be good for AT LEAST 50rwhp more at the same boost level. at 10psi i think we are headed for 560+rwhp.

just for refrence the fairmont with an intercooled 5.3/mp70 and the same cam as we are running now was at 458rwhp@10psi on the same dyno. different tranny and converter but it is fun just to compare.

very fun day and thanks to tom at c@s

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damm very nice numbers

Is that still stock cubes? 6L right?

completely stock other than a 2002 zo6 cam, patriot gold extremes and i think we did pushrods.

in a week or two we should have a chart with the dual fuel change over to race fuel and then do another where we change from pump to meth. should be some neat info. looking at that chart we might need to spin it a little higher:D

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very fun day at the dyno today. we suspected a problem with our 2nd fuel system and to confirm this we wanted to just tune the car on that system. sure enough it wasn't tuning well. sounded like it was running on 4cylinder once we got off idle. heat gun confirmed this. dynotom busted out his hand held duel trace scope :headbang: and hooked up to one injector on each bank and right away showed we were not geting the "peek" of the peek and hold on one bank. fucking squirt :lol: this made us very happy since now we know what our problem is.

the phased fuel is going to be easy and work well once we get that fixed.

just to have some fun and to test out the rest of our 2nd fuel system we hooked up the injector harness from our primary fuel system to our 2nd fuel system and made a few runs. this means we were running off of only the 8 injectors that are higher up in the runner and we were running off of the big fuel system and on race gas. even though the car will never idle on these injectors it still idled pretty good and was easy to tune.

numbers... 508rwhp(mustang) at 10psi, no intercooler, 214deg peek iats. this was on race gas. we plan on running on meth, not race gas. meth should be good for AT LEAST 50rwhp more at the same boost level. at 10psi i think we are headed for 560+rwhp.

just for refrence the fairmont with an intercooled 5.3/mp70 and the same cam as we are running now was at 458rwhp@10psi on the same dyno. different tranny and converter but it is fun just to compare.

very fun day and thanks to tom at c@s

http://neufamily.org/images/67novagallery/thumbnails/67nova%20383.jpgMethanal might be worth more than 50RWHP once you turn the boost up. I have seen supercharged cars pick up a full second from gas to alcohol. What year 6.0L is that?

updates?

the engine is suppose to be an 01 but who knows.

nothing new to report. got sidetracked on some other stuff. the car is ready to go back to the dyno and try the duel fuel and then duel fuel meth but now it is blocked in the garage. i have only had 1/3 of my floor poured since last year and now i have the other 2/3's ready to pour but they are not coming to do it till next weekend so the car is blocked in by the rebar and floor heating pipes.

So wich are you more excited to finish, the car or the garage? :)

So wich are you more excited to finish, the car or the garage? :)

definatly the garage. i have been out there almost every day doing something. i think it will be "done" in a month or so. that does not include the fun stuff like finishing off the inside, bathroom, loft, stripper pole, lift, work bench...

definatly the garage. I have been out there almost every day doing something. I think it will be "done" in a month or so. That does not include the fun stuff like finishing off the inside, bathroom, loft, stripper pole, lift, work bench...

lmfao:d

Cool, sounds fun man... I can't wait to tackle a project like that once I finally settle down in some nice land.

all that work and only 500? seems low with all of those parts on top of the intake and hoses and what have you... meh, nice project though, lots of things to look at if you were to pop the hood...

all that work and only 500? seems low with all of those parts on top of the intake and hoses and what have you... meh, nice project though, lots of things to look at if you were to pop the hood...

yeah, your right. we did a lot of work for only 500hp. we failed...:D

yeah, your right. we did a lot of work for only 500hp. we failed...:D

You tell him Jim!! :emb:

:jest:

yeah, your right. we did a lot of work for only 500hp. we failed...

:bang::bang::bang::bang: hey, its not how much HP you make, its how much money you spend right?:hmmm:

so seriously, how much HP do you think you will get out of that wicked set-up, providing the engine holds out?

Dynos dont mean much...
just look at the curve :D

:bang::bang::bang::bang: hey, its not how much HP you make, its how much money you spend right?:hmmm:

so seriously, how much HP do you think you will get out of that wicked set-up, providing the engine holds out?

not sure. once we get the rest of the car figured out we will be turning it up till it blows. i am guessing 700+ on that stingy mustang dyno. hp isnt our goal this year or anytime soon. geting the car to go down the track safely is.

not sure. once we get the rest of the car figured out we will be turning it up till it blows. i am guessing 700+ on that stingy mustang dyno. hp isnt our goal this year or anytime soon. geting the car to go down the track safely is.

That sounds more like it! I'm sure there is more there with a built motor & such.
Couple of quick questions if you have a sec.
1. How is the MS ( micro or MS2, cant remember....) holding up for the trans control?
2. How is your truck holding up ( the late model featured at DIYautotune) ?

I ask because the truck you built is the basis for a project i am just starting, I have the trans and engine, just picked up a crank..... I have a long way to go but I am curious how that thing has held up over the years with that kind of power under the hood.

That sounds more like it! I'm sure there is more there with a built motor & such.
Couple of quick questions if you have a sec.
1. How is the MS ( micro or MS2, cant remember....) holding up for the trans control?
2. How is your truck holding up ( the late model featured at DIYautotune) ?

I ask because the truck you built is the basis for a project i am just starting, I have the trans and engine, just picked up a crank..... I have a long way to go but I am curious how that thing has held up over the years with that kind of power under the hood.

we haven't really tested the microsquirt with the tranny other than on the dyno. seems to be working but till we get it on the road and going down the track i can't really say how well it works.

truck went to mexico and is being raced on the street. i have talked to the guy a few times and it sounds like it has been holding up well. he is steping up to a lsx block and 6 bolt heads.

the fucking car is alive!! we more or less got that duel fuel figured out and it is working great.

it could just be that i haven't been in a fast car in awhile but this car puts you back in the seat hard. we dont expect to be pulling a killer 60' for awile but i bet we still get a decent ET first time out.

we drove around for 4 hours last night. no issues other than working thru the duel fuel issue. once we figured out what we were doing wrong with the duel fuel it was easy to tune. we can get 3000rpm brake stalling it. boost builds quickly. shifting at 6200rpm and it feels like we are shifting too soon :D . the transition to the race gas is pretty smooth but needs a little dyno time to get it just right. the car seems to be geting good traction with 255 drag radials.

the car is way more drivable than any of us thought it would be. drag week shouldn't be an issue but you never know what might break on ya. it was our goal to get the thing running and legal to run 10.0 then get to the track. i dont think it will be too many trips before we are looking into getting all the stuff to be legal for quicker than 10.0

after many 1-2 runs we checked the race gas tank it it was still pretty much full. we are going to put some meth in the 2nd tank and take it to the track on friday. we are going to drive it there :D

Sweet! Congrats Jim :cheers: Any chance of a video :)

Sweet! Congrats Jim :cheers: Any chance of a video :)

yep. just got done putting something together. there should be some good track and dyno vid soon but for now this is all we have. >> http://neufamily.org/nova/novadrive1.wmv

:drool: :drool: :drool:

Congrats man!! Freaking waiting for the vid to upload!! :(

we went to the track last night. i dont see where i posted up about our race gas to meth swap out so let me paste that in here.

ok, we learned a few things tonight. some things were confusing. we were running 2 lc1's but were getting significantly different numbers from one bank to the other. 9.5 on the right, 11.0 on the right. sensor location wasn't exactly the same, one turbo might be leaking a slight bit of oil... who knows why they were different. also our boost was floating around as much as .5psi. kind of hard to count on your numbers if you see .5psi change in boost.

mustang dyno, no intercooler, locked 4l80e, boost around 10psi, stock 6.0 other than 02 z06 cam and good springs.

base run with 118tt fuel and 16deg of timing was 499-505rwhp. a/f at 11.5-11.9, 3 runs, iat's in the 220-240 range.

switch to meth and tune to 9.5 on the same gauge got us 524rwhp, 2 runs with exact same hp numbers. iat's droping to 80deg by the end of the run. from 240 with race gas to 80 with meth.

move timing up to 18deg and gained 17hp(541hp) but we also saw a .5more psi.

moved timing to 20deg and got a couple more hp, then 22deg and a couple more hp, then 24deg and a couple more hp. we ended up around 555hp. the hp alone was not worth running that much timing but the car was pulling much cleaner each time we added more. chart was smoother and the power after the peek numbers carried much better.

next we tried to add a little boost. after about 5 runs we were never able to get our boost solenoid to work. what we did see is the car getting leaner and leaner. not sure why it was geting leaner but i can say for sure the car liked it. each run we made more power but boost never went up. af ratio ended up around 11.3(11.9 on lc1 number 2). at that a/f ratio we pulled 604rwhp. this was back to back runs.

we are happy as could be with 600rwhp at 10psi. seems like that would be around 700rw on a dynojet. the fairmont was a lot different but for comparison sakes we made 535rwhp at 14psi.

last night we hit up that track for the first time.

whoa. car runs good :D

drove it to the track
first run was a soft launch, 1.83 60' and then john let out well before then end and ran a 7.0@92

next run he hit it slightly harder off the line and pulled a 1.77 60' and then hit the brakes before then end. ran 6.9@91

third run he did a pretty hard brake stall before leting the car go and pulled a 1.65 60'. on that run he ran it all the way. timing malfunction :bandhead:

while waiting in line for another run the car died. it never dies. turns out we burnt up a voltage regulator or something along those lines. easy and cheap fix but not at the track so we had to drag it home.

i didn't drive the car but from where i was at it looks very smooth and it looks like it is really moving. we didnt expect a 1.65 60' with just a brake stall so we are real happy about that. john said he is almost sure it pulled a wheel on that last run. car seems so quiet at the track. i bet that last run was in the 6.6 range at well over 100mph.

next is a little nitrous to help it off the line. for now it is making plenty of power so making it off the line better and working threw any issues will be our next goals. i think it will be well into the 9's on 10-11psi which is our minimum boost.

Nice work Great numbers!!

Very Cool! Did you guys take any video's? How much would you guess she weighs?

Very Cool! Did you guys take any video's? How much would you guess she weighs?

car should be something like 3300lbs race weight but we dont know for sure yet.

kyle(1320video) got some video. i am sure he will put something cool together before long.

The fab work on that motor is really nice, i might have missed it but is the motor stock or stockish?

The fab work on that motor is really nice, i might have missed it but is the motor stock or stockish?

o2 z06 cam and patriot gold springs. thats it.

congrats.

Right on Jim.

You ever think about piping a cold air off the turbos.The reason I ask is my truck has a open filter in the engine bay like the nova and I see iat's of 100-130 even if its 75.Btw my iat is still in my maf.That should allow you to run more boost without working the turbos as hard.

nice work man , look forward to what that car will be running soon.

Can't wait for more updates!!!

Nice numbers...you should swap the widebands from side to side and see if the readings are the same based on the bank or the wideband

What did you do for suspension? Also on the exhaust?

What did you do for suspension? Also on the exhaust?

suspension is stock style. mono leafs with caltracs. exhaust is a pair of 3.5" dumps.

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Great numbers. Looking forward to more updates

Great numbers. Looking forward to more updates

going to the track again on friday. we hope to be knocking on 6.40's wich is the limit of our safety equipment right now. it will be about 20deg hotter than last week so who knows.

what other safety equipment do you need if you go faster than 6.40s?

not sure. we have the cage. i know we need to get licensed.

good luck at the track

I have a few questions if you don't mind.

1-I saw in a few of the pictures of you guys working on the engine, where you put what appears to be a custom made baffle in the oil pan, what experiences led you to install this?

2-What year 6.0 are you using? I would think the newer ones might take more abuse with the newer style rods and coated pistons.

3-What are the extent of the modifications to the 4L80? Judging by the pictures, it appears to be just a shift kit. Is it the trans go HD-2?

Thanks for your time, I LOVE what you are doing with this project.

shift kit and the vacume mod for the tranny. pretty sure it was the hd-2 kit.

no special baffle. that is a gto pan. we needed a front sump and thats what we came up with.

6.0 is an 01 or 02. anything 01 or newer is good. no idea if the newer ones are better or not. i dont think the rods will be the first thing to go but the coating you speak of might help.

Killer build! One of a kind fo sho!

Killer build! One of a kind fo sho!

thanks!


last night at the track we ran into a new issue. we think our meth fuel pumps are dying all ready. if soo then wow, that was fast. at the time we couldn't find any pumps we liked so we just went with some basic non alcohol rated pumps.

we found this pump http://www.titanmotorsports.com/18hpefistinf.html wich appears to be bad ass. we are going to give it a try and see what happens. should be going back to the track again next friday.

drag week is coming up fast. i hope we get these bugs worked out by then. i am still blown away with how nice it drives. i was kind of dreding riding in that car during drag week but now i am pumped up about it.

Damn thats a pricey pump :eek:

finely had a good night at the track. no major issues with the car. made lots of runs with incremental improvements.

soo, right now we are running e85 for our 2nd fuel. iats drop nicely but not fast like the meth. power seems down quite a bit from the meth BUT it was 90deg last night compared to 70deg or so last time we went to the track.

at around 9.5psi our best run was 6.85@102 with a 1.65 60' john tried working on the 60' and that is probably as good as it will get without some help like spray off the line or transbrake. goal is to get some nitrous on there so we can hit it off the line and see how it likes that.

we are hoping to knock at least .2 off of that 60' with the spray. when the fuel lab pump comes back we will try some meth again. a cooler night should help and eventually we can turn up the boost. lots of fun ahead.

Glad to see that you finally resolved some of the issues......Good run!

forgot about the tranny controller. we are using a microsquirt to run the 4l80e. it is working well. it's not a cheap solution but it is pretty slick. john the computer geek has a touch pad mounted in the car that shows mph, gear, trans temp, engine temp, rpm.

Sounds like a blast!!! So nitrous for the launch, switch back to meth and see how all that does and then what?

Sounds like a blast!!! So nitrous for the launch, switch back to meth and see how all that does and then what?

add boost:D. the turbos are barely working.

:burn:

john the computer geek has a touch pad mounted in the car that shows mph, gear, trans temp, engine temp, rpm.
do you have any pics of that??

fun night at the track tonight. boost controler is working now so we went ahead and turned it up a little. :D

10psi was around 6.85@102, 1.65 60'

13.5psi gave us a best of 6.54@106.7 with a 1.61 60'

this is on the e85 still. next step is to spray it off the line and see how it responds. we are leaving with as much brake stall as we can and that is still just 0.5psi or so. a 100 or larger shot should get it moving in a hurry. next trip to the track we will take the wheely bars just in case we need them.

WOW!!! 1.61 60' times while leaving with 0.5lbs of boost!!! :confused:
How do you do that!!! Very impressed and congrats!

That is pretty good

WOW!!! 1.61 60' times while leaving with 0.5lbs of boost!!! :confused:
How do you do that!!! Very impressed and congrats!

the boost is on it's way up and comes on hard just 10-20feet out.

also this is a camed 6.0 in a 3000lb car with a 3000+ converter. it should get off the line ok without any boost.

here is a screen shot of our last run for anyone interested. you can see the 2 ve tables. the pw1 and pw2 and you can see it switch from one to the other mid run and then switch back when we let off. the transition could use a little more help but as bad as it looks on the wideband it is smooth in the car.

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Is there some type of multiplier for the higher second table?
Congrats on the times and the success of the project so far..

Is there some type of multiplier for the higher second table?
Congrats on the times and the success of the project so far..

yes. that number you speak of is called "required fuel". i think we could use a number on that 2nd table that will give us higher numbers on that table. we are not using much of the range avaliable. you can go as high as 255 for those numbers. you try and use a number there that allows you to use a lot of the range so you get the highest resolution but also that isn't too near the top so when you make changes it doesn't put you over 255 and cause you to start over.

did that make any sence? with meth those numbers go up to around 90. i would like to see them more in the 150-200 range to give us the higher resolution.

That sounds very interesting... I think Id like to play with mega someday..

That sounds very interesting... I think Id like to play with mega someday..

do you see the blue dots on the ve2 table? while you move on the chart from the right to the left that blue dot on the ve table shows you what cell or cells it was looking at. you look at the wideband, then see what cells it is looking at, then adjust that cell on the ve table.

it is really easy to do the wot tuning. there is some warm up stuff and some accel enrichment's that take a little more time.

here is a vid someone got last friday. they didn't get our best run. not much to see, car looks smooth. next friday is some nitrous off the line to get things moving. our track is real picky about going too fast so we will have to be careful not to go to fast, 6.40. probably have to let off before the end.

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13.15 @ 47.5 mph in the 1/8th!!! That's smoking!!! :jest:
Looks like in a few of the races you were bracket racing or trying to keep up with the guys next to you. Car does look smooth.

What is the tubing fabbed in front of the intake elbows for? The one with stand-offs and AN caps? Nice work too, I really dig your work!

-SS

What is the tubing fabbed in front of the intake elbows for? The one with stand-offs and AN caps? Nice work too, I really dig your work!

-SS

those were going to be our primary injectors(pump gas). they didn't distrubute the fuel like we thought they would so we gave up on that location and just put in a whole set of 8 at the ports. we might still use them some day for more alcohol.

we got some spray off the line on friday. new best et is a 6.40@109 with a 1.53 60' that was late in the night when the track wasn't soo sticky. i am 90% sure the car has another easy .1 in the 60'. that should be good for high 9's with 13.5psi.

our goal is 8.99 on the stock long block. let say we can pull some 1.3's and push it to 15psi. that seems like a 9.5 to me. 8.99 seems out of reach without a built motor but we will give it a shot.

Saw this thing running at the track and in the pits. Its sick. Clean setup, a no frills ride down the track very well setup. You guys are awesome.

Nice, thanks for the feedback. Is most of this stuff a trial and error every time?

-SS

you at dragweek? i just drove by the hotels and i swear i saw it sitting out on a trailer..?

yep, 700mile drive today. should be fun.

yep, 700mile drive today. should be fun.

Dammit Jim you are living my dream life.Anyways Goodluck out there!

that is a long haul, with more to come. hope things go good and cant wait to see this thing run in person..

I saw the passes.... but no times lol

How did it look going down?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TonbWVgi53E&feature=channel 2:13 in, leaves good..

Cool!!! I think that white G8 was his as well at the 2 minute mark right before the wagon went. Twin turbo G8 IRCC

wagon is running consistant 10.0's letting off at the top to keep the mph under 135.

that is my g8. i cant believe it just ran a 11.44@124. most of that car is stock and it weighs 4275 with me in it.

...most of that car is stock and it weighs 4275 with me in it.


You fat fucker!!! :jest:
j/k

lol, nice times with the g8!

im building a 63 nova wagon with a 5.3 and twin sc 61s. what motor mounts did you guys use? and is there any way you could email me some better pics of the manifolds on and off the car. i want to mount my turbos in a different spot but ur manifolds are what i had in mind. thanks for the help and info in advance. my email is mglover9558@yahoo.com.

all the pics we have are here >> http://www.neufamily.org/images/67novagallery/index.htm

just welded up the mounts using some plate steel and square tubing.

Jim I was just looking at your pic's and the tail on the 80 is one that would be used for a truck with a drum style brake bolted to it. Just thought that was kind of strange when I saw it. BTW did you make DW this year?