these are my first dyno runs post Radix install :bang: (ok, so maybe they are a little over-do)

had a fantastic day working with oxidizr on the MP112 baseline test/tune. Understand when I refer to "we" the emphasis is heavily favoring the tuner and not myself.

The goal was to optimize the current calibration/setup, taking a stock Radix with basic bolt-ons as far as we could while staying safe for daily driving. Some interesting things of note, 1st, while we did the bulk of our testing with the converter locked. We saw no power gained from testing unlocked, the power curves essentally lay on top of each other. 2nd, due to the 2500HD converter being considerably looser than a typical 1500 series, we weren't able to lug the motor as low as I had originally thought we might, however it was consistent at its lockup point. 3rd, 7lbs of boost. 4th, all data corrected to the latest SAE standard. 5th, fuel pressure was 63psi at idle and 63psi WOT/6000rpms 3rd gear(in tank Walbro). 6th, all runs conducted with hood closed.

Max power gains over the stock magnacharger calibration are: +8rwhp, +9rwtq. However, the real benefit observed is with the power under the curve. You can see on the dyno graph the sections in the power curves that are +15-20rwhp +15-20rwtq. The net result is more usable power, sooner.

I am very pleased with the final baseline results that repeatedly showed 430rwhp/440rwtq. Figuring 18% driveline loss, roughly 505hp/520tq at the engine. Just after I bought the truck in late 04 I had it dyno'd bone stock and made 245rwhp, so for a stock LQ4 Radix setup(3.1" pulley) with basic bolt-ons (LT's, dual exhaust, CAI), and a custom tune, I'm pretty happy with the results so far as I'm up approx 185rwhp.


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v625/moregrip/DSCN2020.jpg


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v625/moregrip/DSCN2021.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v625/moregrip/dynorungauges.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v625/moregrip/dynorun.jpg

MP122H data to follow :drive:

Looks bitchin.

Can we see the rest of the dyno graph, or did you start the pull at 3750rpm?

Looks bitchin.

Can we see the rest of the dyno graph, or did you start the pull at 3750rpm?

thanks :), this is the only dyno sheet I have, runs started a little bit below 3750 rpm.

Looks good grip!! Must be nice having oxidizer's help too :judge:

nice work. With all these performance goodies out there, it's just a win -win situation for us truck guys.

Looks good grip!! Must be nice having oxidizer's help too :judge:

thanks bro, I think we're at a good starting point, we were able to collect the data needed to move on to the next project :)

nice work. With all these performance goodies out there, it's just a win -win situation for us truck guys.


:cheers:

sorry no video, I had my camcorder sitting on the kitchen counter but left the damn thing sitting there :bang:

congrats grippy!!! those are some very nice numbers ...put all those other goodies on and be over 500 rwhp!!!!!

Good Job, Richard knows his tuning.

these are some good numbers to see amd congrats. i am hoping to be making a magna purchase soon.

Grippy, if you dont mind me askin, what do you have planned next now that youve seen what the charger will do?

these are some good numbers to see amd congrats. i am hoping to be making a magna purchase soon.

Grippy, if you dont mind me askin, what do you have planned next now that youve seen what the charger will do?

Thanks diehard :drive:

testing was done with the expectation of upgrading to the new MP122HH blower from Magnuson. We thought it best to baseline my current setup to its maximum safe potential, then do the blower swap, tune the new setup to its max safe potential, and compare/share the results.

thank you sir and again congrats. lookin forward to your next set of results.

congrats grippy!!! those are some very nice numbers ...put all those other goodies on and be over 500 rwhp!!!!!

thanks bro, workin on it :)

Good Job, Richard knows his tuning.

figured you'd like those numbers

ETA for 122 results?

Good deal man a nice base for the dusty parts pile in the garage to start off with:D

Good #'s for sure! It would be nice to see comparison dyno pulls between the mp112 and 122 at the same boost level.

ETA for 122 results?

Good deal man a nice base for the dusty parts pile in the garage to start off with:D

unfortunetly I don't have an ETA on the 122 availability. As soon as it hits my front door it will get installed and tested :judge:

Looks bitchin.

Can we see the rest of the dyno graph, or did you start the pull at 3750rpm?

Hey Keith, forgot I had this one; here's a dyno pull from mid day that shows values down to 3500rpm

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v625/moregrip/DSCN2020.jpg

Very nice numbers you have there.

Very nice numbers you have there.

thanks, I'm happy with the results

A forged piston 370 with a 122 and a little cam would be an awesome DD package and make some awesome power. If Im not mistaken thats what you are going for Moregrip?

A forged piston 370 with a 122 and a little cam would be an awesome DD package and make some awesome power. If Im not mistaken thats what you are going for Moregrip?

morning 1slow, Ultimately yes; for now the goal is to put the MP122HH on the current configuration and compare it to the best run with the MP112. Should be interesting huh :drive:

Nice numbers grippy..


























too bad your still slow:P :poke: :jest:

Hey Keith, forgot I had this one; here's a dyno pull from mid day that shows values down to 3500rpm

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v625/moregrip/DSCN2020.jpg

Thanks, I was wondering why there was a low spot in the torque curve. Now that I see it was up there, dipped down and came back up, it makes more sense.

I see that torque dip around 3500rpm on a lot of v8s, any idea where it comes from?

I aggree, nice dyno curve. Is yours a 2wd or 4wd grippy? Electric fans or manual?

I aggree, nice dyno curve. Is yours a 2wd or 4wd grippy? Electric fans or manual?

Never mind, I found your home page. 2wd, stock manual fans.

2wd might explain the higher numbers, probably room for more with electric fans, wanna buy mine?? :) :jest:

Thanks, I was wondering why there was a low spot in the torque curve. Now that I see it was up there, dipped down and came back up, it makes more sense.

I see that torque dip around 3500rpm on a lot of v8s, any idea where it comes from?

that dip is at the start of the run where everything has settle down and the converter is fully locked

Nice numbers grippy..

too bad your still slow:P :poke: :jest:

thanks bro,..............oh, and my foot wasn't to the floor ;)


I aggree, nice dyno curve. Is yours a 2wd or 4wd grippy? Electric fans or manual?


thanks m7, it's a 2wd with efans :drive:

morning 1slow, Ultimately yes; for now the goal is to put the MP122HH on the current configuration and compare it to the best run with the MP112. Should be interesting huh :drive:
Had to go to work EARLY this morning and i got to have my daily dose of pt.etn before heading to work :judge:

The combo I described is exactly what I plan on after I get bored with the 418 and get ready to lift the truck a little and make a more "offroad" style truck. Good milage and lots of power. I would be happy with 550 to the wheels:D

This blower seems to make the power it should thus I havent dogged it;) yet.... :jest:

Looks really good Grippy. If you dont mind me asking, what is your current mods list? Did you get your "controversial Ed Curtis cam" in?

thanks m7, it's a 2wd with efans :drive:[/QUOTE]

Does it have e-fans?? In the pic I could see the original fan shroud? Possibly old pic I guess. What kind of fans do you have?

Looks really good Grippy. If you dont mind me asking, what is your current mods list? Did you get your "controversial Ed Curtis cam" in?

Thanks Mr. Beau :)

Mods so far are:

Radix
CAI
LT Headers
3" Dual exhaust
E-Fans
Custom Tune

That's all for the purposes of these tests. I have not installed the Ed Curtis cam yet, but it is going in soon along with the WCCH Heads :drive:

thanks m7, it's a 2wd with efans :drive:

Does it have e-fans?? In the pic I could see the original fan shroud? Possibly old pic I guess. What kind of fans do you have?

m7, the pic you are looking at is an older one I believe. I currently run factory GM E-Fans

Had to go to work EARLY this morning and i got to have my daily dose of pt.etn before heading to work :judge:

The combo I described is exactly what I plan on after I get bored with the 418 and get ready to lift the truck a little and make a more "offroad" style truck. Good milage and lots of power. I would be happy with 550 to the wheels:D



you going with a lower? wow, good deal :drive:

This blower seems to make the power it should thus I havent dogged it;) yet.... :jest:

as for the power, thanks, in it's current configuration it is max'd out

you going with a lower? wow, good deal :drive:
Since I have moved to Austin my needs have changed and for some reason a motor with a large cam idling through the woods at the deer lease I dont think will work. I want low end tq, big power up top and great gas mileage and well a stroker cant do that. With my 418 and nitrous I can make more peak power but at teh expense of driveability, gas mileage and having to fill the bottle :bang: I will be towing my 76 ford bronco on a trailer plus deer feeders/stands, corn and all the other necessities for hunting and maybe by next summer have some sort of boat for the lake. Anybody ever tell you how annoying a big cam is when you are in an aggitated mood, sitting in traffic and you are constantly being shakin from the cam? :eyes: I know that is an odd thing to say but when I was driving it everyday it was one of the "quirks" of a large motor that I could do without.

I was just never really interested in the RADIX system since in its 112 form is maxed out wouldnt give me the numbers that I wanted but the 122HH seems to have alot more potential and may just give me what Im looking for thus what you are doing with it has really caught my eye:cheers:

I was just never really interested in the RADIX system since in its 112 form is maxed out wouldnt give me the numbers that I wanted but the 122HH seems to have alot more potential and may just give me what Im looking for thus what you are doing with it has really caught my eye:cheers:

As soon as the 122 hits my front porch I'll let you know :).........and take some pics :)

I forgot to mention and don't know if it really matters or not, all these runs were conducted with 32" tall tires on 20x10 wheels :drive:

with this 122 install, are you gonna use a different cam?

with this 122 install, are you gonna use a different cam?

negative, I have a feeling the Head/Cam combo will compliment the setup even more. I fully expect better results with the MP122HH's ability to move more air. Of course the proof will be in the pudding :drive:

How is your Cam workinh out?

negative, I have a feeling the Head/Cam combo will compliment the setup even more. I fully expect better results with the MP122HH's ability to move more air. Of course the proof will be in the pudding :drive:

How is your Cam workinh out?

The cam feels good from about zero to 30 mph then it gets really weird. I am seeing almost 8*KR in the tune so there is some work to be done. I did however knock .2 off of my 60' with stock 3.42 gears and open rear end. 4.10s and trutrac should be going on this weekend if the gears show up in time....:nono: I cant wait to see how it feels with the gears and right tuning. (should be heading to Nelson's shop next week sometime) Also the giggle gas kit should be here tomarrow. :D

negative, I have a feeling the Head/Cam combo will compliment the setup even more. I fully expect better results with the MP122HH's ability to move more air. Of course the proof will be in the pudding :drive:

How is your Cam workinh out?
Nice numbers man. I've been told in the past from a certain someone, that my 6.0L will quickly max out the Radix M-112 unit. I bought it anyways.
I'm hoping I won't be dissappointed. I'll be using the GT2-3 cam, dynatech LT's for the combo with the Radix.
Do you think I will see some numbers like yours?
You know, I never really asked anyone, but what kind of gains is the GT2-3 cam giving the LQ9 6.0L Radix'd guys? Is it worth the cam upgrade or not?
Also, will I benifit from the 90mm TB & J-tube upgrade enough to vouch for the money spent on that particular mod?
Geeeeezzz, so much money to spend. Wife is going to kill me! :bang:
If you see that I have not posted here in a few days, check the obituaries. :judge:

Thanks,

Jim

Why not send the 112 back and get you a 122:D

Anybody ever tell you how annoying a big cam is when you are in an aggitated mood, sitting in traffic and you are constantly being shakin from the cam? :eyes: I know that is an odd thing to say but when I was driving it everyday it was one of the "quirks" of a large motor that I could do without.

The shaking at a redlight is soothing like a masage. You are just looking at it all wrong. :jest: You ought to try it with no a/c :mad:
A big cam is very tame with an automatic compared to a straight shift. Try starting off slow with a metalic disc clutch, which you usually have to have to hold the power or idling through a parking lot. That choppy idle is transfered right through you lower back! :judge: That is why I went with a mild cam being my DD. You can't beat FI for a DD since you can keep a mild cam and still make big power.
I didn't know you were such a candy ass. Like I said before, soak some rags in kerosene and wrap them around your ankles to keep the ants from eating at your candy ass.

Moregrip- I look forward to seeing your project come to a head for sure. Hurry up! :jest:

soak some rags in kerosene and wrap them around your ankles to keep the ants from eating at your candy ass.

I don't care who ya are, that's some funny sh*t right there!! :jest:

Why not send the 112 back and get you a 122:D
Would they consider it? It's still in the box.
Moregrip? Any insight on this and my above questions?

Jim

Would they consider it? It's still in the box.
Moregrip? Any insight on this and my above questions?

Jim


no they would not consider it.

Devin has not run out of blower yet, why would you? If the EATON M112 can make 14-15 psi on a 5.4 Lightning, then I am sure it will do you just fine. The MP112 is more efficient than the M112, and runs ALOT cooler, this blower will make more than enough power to split your block if needed. Dont take the words of a certain someone, listen to those that know.

no they would not consider it.

Devin has not run out of blower yet, why would you? If the EATON M112 can make 14-15 psi on a 5.4 Lightning, then I am sure it will do you just fine. The MP112 is more efficient than the M112, and runs ALOT cooler, this blower will make more than enough power to split your block if needed. Dont take the words of a certain someone, listen to those that know.
Cool thanks BlownChevy! I'm sure I'm just thinking the worse before I get my own personal experience.
I forgot about the reliability issues between the M-112 and M-122 unit. I'll work with what I have. I'm sure I will eventually get it pumping out too much power than the trans can take. :devil: I'd better keep it conservative first.
Hey BlownChevy, would it hurt anything to change the pulley out to the smaller pulley with the stock Radix tuning for a while until I can get it over to Allen for fine tuning? The GT2-3 cam will be in there at the same time as well.
What do you think?

Jim

mjhoward ran a 3" on his 4.8 for a couple of months of thrashing and he motor was fine till he went crazy with the timing

mjhoward ran a 3" on his 4.8 for a couple of months of thrashing and he motor was fine till he went crazy with the timing
I went from the stock 3.7 to 3.25 on the stock engine and maggie tune with a 160* tstat. it was pushing 11.5lbs boost. I didn't have any issues with it but I also didn't tow or run anything less than 93 octane. of course no one will recommend it. I had no problems but that doesn't mean you won't.

Cool thanks BlownChevy! I'm sure I'm just thinking the worse before I get my own personal experience.
I forgot about the reliability issues between the M-112 and M-122 unit. I'll work with what I have. I'm sure I will eventually get it pumping out too much power than the trans can take. :devil: I'd better keep it conservative first.
Hey BlownChevy, would it hurt anything to change the pulley out to the smaller pulley with the stock Radix tuning for a while until I can get it over to Allen for fine tuning? The GT2-3 cam will be in there at the same time as well.
What do you think?

Jim

Jim, the great thing about the GT2-3 is that it will give you a good gain in power and be completely streetable. No nagging idle issues, quirky street manners, things like that. Personally, I like a little more cam for a 6.0L. According to this dynosim software I have, the GT2-3 seems to really shine in a stock headed application. Both CHarris and Whitt1 have run it in their 6L with success. Might try and hit them up.

As for the MP112 running out of steam, I did not encounter that with this setup.

Jim, the great thing about the GT2-3 is that it will give you a good gain in power and be completely streetable. No nagging idle issues, quirky street manners, things like that. Personally, I like a little more cam for a 6.0L. According to this dynosim software I have, the GT2-3 seems to really shine in a stock headed application. Both CHarris and Whitt1 have run it in their 6L with success. Might try and hit them up.

As for the MP112 running out of steam, I did not encounter that with this setup.
Are you referring the GT2-3 cam and the Radix combo? Because that's what will be going in at the same time.
If there is a better cam for the Radix, I would like to know what you recommend?
I don't want to go too big because it will be for everyday driving and towing(10% of the year).
Let me know, as I have not ordered the cam kit yet.

Thanks,

Jim

no they would not consider it.

Devin has not run out of blower yet, why would you? If the EATON M112 can make 14-15 psi on a 5.4 Lightning, then I am sure it will do you just fine. The MP112 is more efficient than the M112, and runs ALOT cooler, this blower will make more than enough power to split your block if needed. Dont take the words of a certain someone, listen to those that know.

Devin is not out of blower, he is out of fuel. More injector, better delivery and the truck will make more power with the M112.

Devin is not out of blower, he is out of fuel. More injector, better delivery and the truck will make more power with the M112.
I completely understand how he could do that with a 6.0. With my 4.8 I was at 94% duty cycle and suplementing fuel with meth. Meth pump wire got pinched, shorted and didn't run, then it go BOOM! :bomb: :bomb: :bomb: :jest:

Devin is not out of blower, he is out of fuel. More injector, better delivery and the truck will make more power with the M112.

That's affirmative. we reached the limit of the 42lb injectors with this setup. As it sits, no changes, I believe there is more power to be had, how much? no idea. We had good fuel pressure @ WOT (63lbs.) ....so it would seem I am in the market for some 60lb'ers.

Are you referring the GT2-3 cam and the Radix combo? Because that's what will be going in at the same time.
If there is a better cam for the Radix, I would like to know what you recommend?
I don't want to go too big because it will be for everyday driving and towing(10% of the year).
Let me know, as I have not ordered the cam kit yet.

Thanks,

Jim

yes the cam, I wouldn't know what to recommend to you as I don't know what your tolerance for these things is. The GT2-3 is a good starting point. If you want more later you can always step it up a notch.

forgot I had these on my desktop, here's one of the runs, IAT's between 118-122 at the end of a run was consistent all day, dyno cell temp was mid-high 80's

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v625/moregrip/dynorungauges.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v625/moregrip/dynorun.jpg

looks like I'll be upgrading to some higher flowing injectors, something in the 60-75lb range.

I ran 57lb injectors and still had fuelling problems the stock fuel pump and inline fuel pump couldn't keep up.I went with a Bosch 044 motor sports pump in the tank and 2 Bosch 040 inlines to solve the problem.If you are planning to go over 500rwhp you will need to address the fuel pump as well as the injectors.

I ran 57lb injectors and still had fuelling problems the stock fuel pump and inline fuel pump couldn't keep up.I went with a Bosch 044 motor sports pump in the tank and 2 Bosch 040 inlines to solve the problem.If you are planning to go over 500rwhp you will need to address the fuel pump as well as the injectors.

I am/was considering a Magnavolt/KB boost-a-pump to compliment my current in-tank Walbro GSS340. thoughts?

I have heard of a Bosch 420 pump that seems to be impressive. Do you have any links you can PM me? in the meantime I'll see what I can drum up.

Just get the Motron 60's and get on with it ;) It's only a wire harness hack away... LOL

Just get the Motron 60's and get on with it ;) It's only a wire harness hack away... LOL

considering LowZ injectors with external Peak & Hold Injector Driver module

updated MP122H data here:

http://performancetrucks.net/forums/showthread.php?p=3443819#post3443819

If you were runnning 104kpa with the 112, wouldn't you max out the MAF with a 122? :confused:

If you were runnning 104kpa with the 112, wouldn't you max out the MAF with a 122? :confused:

I'd probably max it out with the 112, but definetly with the 122 :drive:

104KPA doesnt mean that you are maxing the MAF, 104kpa just means that you have entered boost.