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Mr. Sandog
07-27-2005, 12:07 PM
Need to return my tranny line pressure to stock once I get the shift kit installed this weekend. Does anyone know what tables and parameters the Magnuson Superchips tune modifies from stock? Are all the modified values in the Base Shift Pressure vs. Torque vs. Gear tables?

ZDEN
07-27-2005, 12:11 PM
i could email you the stock .bin file from my wife's 03 av

Mr. Sandog
07-27-2005, 12:24 PM
i could email you the stock .bin file from my wife's 03 av
That would be very cool, thanks. I'll PM you my email addy.

Anyone else with insight please reply....I still need to know which tables need to be modified.

Mr. Sandog
07-27-2005, 12:59 PM
Here's what I've got (thanks mucho ZDEN for the stock file)....wondering if there are any other tables I need to be concerned with....also wondering if I should return exactly to stock, or something different:

Base Shift Pressure vs. Torque vs. Gear - NORMAL

STOCK '03 AVALANCHE
0 1 2 4 6 10 13 16 19 22 25 26 29 33 37 40 43 46 48 50 52 54 56 58 60 61 62 62 65 68 75 85 90
2 2 3 6 10 13 16 18 20 23 26 28 30 33 36 38 40 43 46 48 50 52 53 54 55 56 58 58 60 64 69 75 81
2 2 2 2 2 2 5 10 14 18 23 28 32 36 41 46 50 54 59 64 68 72 77 82 84 84 84 84 84 84 84 84 84
MY TRUCK
0 1 2 4 6 10 13 16 19 22 25 26 29 33 37 40 43 46 55 65 75 85 96 96 96 96 96 96 96 96 96 96 96
2 2 3 6 10 13 16 18 20 23 26 28 30 33 36 38 40 45 55 65 75 85 96 96 96 96 96 96 96 96 96 96 96
2 2 2 2 2 2 5 10 14 18 23 28 32 36 41 46 50 54 59 65 75 85 96 96 96 96 96 96 96 96 96 96 96

Base Shift Pressure vs. Torque vs. Gear - PERFORMANCE

STOCK '03 AVALANCHE
10 11 13 16 18 22 25 29 33 37 41 45 49 54 60 63 66 68 70 73 76 78 80 83 86 88 90 90 90 90 90 90 90
15 15 15 15 20 23 26 28 32 35 38 42 46 48 50 53 56 58 60 63 66 68 70 73 76 78 80 83 86 88 89 90 90
10 10 10 20 20 20 20 25 30 35 40 45 50 55 60 65 70 75 80 85 90 90 90 90 90 90 90 90 90 90 90 90 90
MY TRUCK
10 11 13 16 18 22 25 29 33 37 41 45 49 54 60 63 66 68 70 73 76 85 96 96 96 96 96 96 96 96 96 96 96
15 15 15 15 20 23 26 28 32 35 38 42 46 48 50 53 56 58 60 65 75 85 96 96 96 96 96 96 96 96 96 96 96
10 10 10 20 20 20 20 25 30 35 40 45 50 55 60 65 70 75 80 85 90 90 96 96 96 96 96 96 96 96 96 96 96

Force Motor Current vs. Commanded Line Pressure vs. Temp

STOCK '03 AVALANCHE
1094 991 947 898 859 820 781 742 693 640 586 522 459 381 273 98 98 1245
1094 991 947 898 859 820 781 742 693 640 586 522 459 381 273 98 98 1245
1094 977 928 879 835 801 762 718 674 620 566 503 439 356 244 98 98 1245
1094 962 913 869 830 796 757 713 669 615 557 498 430 342 220 98 98 1245
1094 952 903 864 830 791 757 713 664 610 557 493 425 342 220 98 98 1245
1064 942 898 859 825 791 752 708 664 610 552 493 425 337 215 98 98 1245
1035 928 889 854 820 786 752 708 664 610 557 498 430 342 220 98 98 1245
1030 928 889 854 820 786 747 708 664 615 562 503 435 352 234 98 98 1245
996 918 879 845 811 781 742 708 664 615 562 503 435 352 239 98 98 1245
991 913 879 845 815 781 752 713 669 620 566 513 449 366 259 98 98 1245
986 913 879 845 815 781 752 713 674 625 571 518 449 366 249 98 98 1245
986 913 879 845 815 786 757 718 679 630 576 518 454 376 264 98 98 1245
981 913 879 845 815 786 757 723 679 635 581 522 459 376 259 98 98 1245
981 903 874 840 815 786 757 718 679 635 581 527 459 376 249 98 98 1245
977 908 869 840 811 781 752 718 679 635 581 522 459 381 259 98 98 1245
977 903 869 835 806 781 752 718 679 630 581 522 459 376 254 98 98 1245
977 903 869 835 806 781 752 718 679 630 581 522 459 376 254 98 98 1245
MY TRUCK
1094 991 947 898 859 820 781 742 601 498 400 298 200 98 73 49 24 0
1094 991 947 898 859 820 781 742 601 498 400 298 200 98 73 49 24 0
1094 977 928 879 835 801 762 718 601 498 400 298 200 98 73 49 24 0
1094 962 913 869 830 796 757 713 601 498 400 298 200 98 73 49 24 0
1094 952 903 864 830 791 757 713 601 498 400 298 200 98 73 49 24 0
1064 942 898 859 825 791 752 708 601 498 400 298 200 98 73 49 24 0
1035 928 889 854 820 786 752 708 601 498 400 298 200 98 73 49 24 0
1030 928 889 854 820 786 747 708 601 498 400 298 200 98 73 49 24 0
996 918 879 845 811 781 742 708 601 498 400 298 200 98 73 49 24 0
991 913 879 845 815 781 752 713 601 498 400 298 200 98 73 49 24 0
986 913 879 845 815 781 752 713 601 498 400 298 200 98 73 49 24 0
986 913 879 845 815 786 757 718 601 498 400 298 200 98 73 49 24 0
981 913 879 845 815 786 757 723 601 498 400 298 200 98 73 49 24 0
981 903 874 840 815 786 757 718 601 498 400 298 200 98 73 49 24 0
977 908 869 840 811 781 752 718 601 498 400 298 200 98 73 49 24 0
977 903 869 835 806 781 752 718 601 498 400 298 200 98 73 49 24 0
977 903 869 835 806 781 752 718 601 498 400 298 200 98 73 49 24 0

1slow01Z71
07-27-2005, 01:14 PM
I cant wait till I understand what all that means.

Mr. Sandog
07-27-2005, 01:20 PM
I cant wait till I understand what all that means.
Me either... :jest:

Mr. Sandog
07-27-2005, 01:26 PM
Here are a couple more tables where I found changes:

Desired Shift Time vs. Torque - NORMAL

STOCK '03 AVALANCHE
0.575 0.575 0.575 0.5 0.475 0.45 0.45 0.425 0.4 0.375 0.375 0.35 0.35 0.325 0.325 0.3 0.3
0.6 0.55 0.5 0.475 0.45 0.425 0.375 0.375 0.35 0.325 0.3 0.275 0.25 0.238 0.225 0.225 0.225
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
MY TRUCK
0.2 0.2 0.2 0.2 0.2 0.2 0.2 0.2 0.2 0.2 0.2 0.2 0.2 0.2 0.2 0.2 0.2
0.2 0.2 0.2 0.2 0.2 0.2 0.2 0.2 0.2 0.2 0.2 0.2 0.2 0.2 0.2 0.2 0.2
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0

Desired Shift Time vs. Torque - PERFORMANCE

STOCK '03 AVALANCHE
0.3 0.3 0.3 0.3 0.3 0.3 0.3 0.3 0.3 0.3 0.3 0.3 0.3 0.3 0.3 0.3 0.3
0.3 0.3 0.3 0.3 0.3 0.3 0.3 0.3 0.3 0.3 0.3 0.3 0.3 0.3 0.3 0.3 0.3
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
MY TRUCK
0.2 0.2 0.2 0.2 0.2 0.2 0.2 0.2 0.2 0.2 0.2 0.2 0.2 0.2 0.2 0.2 0.2
0.2 0.2 0.2 0.2 0.2 0.2 0.2 0.2 0.2 0.2 0.2 0.2 0.2 0.2 0.2 0.2 0.2
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0

rgvsierra
07-27-2005, 02:08 PM
Here's what I've got (thanks mucho ZDEN for the stock file)....wondering if there are any other tables I need to be concerned with....also wondering if I should return exactly to stock, or something different:

Base Shift Pressure vs. Torque vs. Gear - NORMAL

STOCK '03 AVALANCHE
0 1 2 4 6 10 13 16 19 22 25 26 29 33 37 40 43 46 48 50 52 54 56 58 60 61 62 62 65 68 75 85 90
2 2 3 6 10 13 16 18 20 23 26 28 30 33 36 38 40 43 46 48 50 52 53 54 55 56 58 58 60 64 69 75 81
2 2 2 2 2 2 5 10 14 18 23 28 32 36 41 46 50 54 59 64 68 72 77 82 84 84 84 84 84 84 84 84 84
MY TRUCK
0 1 2 4 6 10 13 16 19 22 25 26 29 33 37 40 43 46 55 65 75 85 96 96 96 96 96 96 96 96 96 96 96
2 2 3 6 10 13 16 18 20 23 26 28 30 33 36 38 40 45 55 65 75 85 96 96 96 96 96 96 96 96 96 96 96
2 2 2 2 2 2 5 10 14 18 23 28 32 36 41 46 50 54 59 65 75 85 96 96 96 96 96 96 96 96 96 96 96

Base Shift Pressure vs. Torque vs. Gear - PERFORMANCE

STOCK '03 AVALANCHE
10 11 13 16 18 22 25 29 33 37 41 45 49 54 60 63 66 68 70 73 76 78 80 83 86 88 90 90 90 90 90 90 90
15 15 15 15 20 23 26 28 32 35 38 42 46 48 50 53 56 58 60 63 66 68 70 73 76 78 80 83 86 88 89 90 90
10 10 10 20 20 20 20 25 30 35 40 45 50 55 60 65 70 75 80 85 90 90 90 90 90 90 90 90 90 90 90 90 90
MY TRUCK
10 11 13 16 18 22 25 29 33 37 41 45 49 54 60 63 66 68 70 73 76 85 96 96 96 96 96 96 96 96 96 96 96
15 15 15 15 20 23 26 28 32 35 38 42 46 48 50 53 56 58 60 65 75 85 96 96 96 96 96 96 96 96 96 96 96
10 10 10 20 20 20 20 25 30 35 40 45 50 55 60 65 70 75 80 85 90 90 96 96 96 96 96 96 96 96 96 96 96

Force Motor Current vs. Commanded Line Pressure vs. Temp

STOCK '03 AVALANCHE
1094 991 947 898 859 820 781 742 693 640 586 522 459 381 273 98 98 1245
1094 991 947 898 859 820 781 742 693 640 586 522 459 381 273 98 98 1245
1094 977 928 879 835 801 762 718 674 620 566 503 439 356 244 98 98 1245
1094 962 913 869 830 796 757 713 669 615 557 498 430 342 220 98 98 1245
1094 952 903 864 830 791 757 713 664 610 557 493 425 342 220 98 98 1245
1064 942 898 859 825 791 752 708 664 610 552 493 425 337 215 98 98 1245
1035 928 889 854 820 786 752 708 664 610 557 498 430 342 220 98 98 1245
1030 928 889 854 820 786 747 708 664 615 562 503 435 352 234 98 98 1245
996 918 879 845 811 781 742 708 664 615 562 503 435 352 239 98 98 1245
991 913 879 845 815 781 752 713 669 620 566 513 449 366 259 98 98 1245
986 913 879 845 815 781 752 713 674 625 571 518 449 366 249 98 98 1245
986 913 879 845 815 786 757 718 679 630 576 518 454 376 264 98 98 1245
981 913 879 845 815 786 757 723 679 635 581 522 459 376 259 98 98 1245
981 903 874 840 815 786 757 718 679 635 581 527 459 376 249 98 98 1245
977 908 869 840 811 781 752 718 679 635 581 522 459 381 259 98 98 1245
977 903 869 835 806 781 752 718 679 630 581 522 459 376 254 98 98 1245
977 903 869 835 806 781 752 718 679 630 581 522 459 376 254 98 98 1245
MY TRUCK
1094 991 947 898 859 820 781 742 601 498 400 298 200 98 73 49 24 0
1094 991 947 898 859 820 781 742 601 498 400 298 200 98 73 49 24 0
1094 977 928 879 835 801 762 718 601 498 400 298 200 98 73 49 24 0
1094 962 913 869 830 796 757 713 601 498 400 298 200 98 73 49 24 0
1094 952 903 864 830 791 757 713 601 498 400 298 200 98 73 49 24 0
1064 942 898 859 825 791 752 708 601 498 400 298 200 98 73 49 24 0
1035 928 889 854 820 786 752 708 601 498 400 298 200 98 73 49 24 0
1030 928 889 854 820 786 747 708 601 498 400 298 200 98 73 49 24 0
996 918 879 845 811 781 742 708 601 498 400 298 200 98 73 49 24 0
991 913 879 845 815 781 752 713 601 498 400 298 200 98 73 49 24 0
986 913 879 845 815 781 752 713 601 498 400 298 200 98 73 49 24 0
986 913 879 845 815 786 757 718 601 498 400 298 200 98 73 49 24 0
981 913 879 845 815 786 757 723 601 498 400 298 200 98 73 49 24 0
981 903 874 840 815 786 757 718 601 498 400 298 200 98 73 49 24 0
977 908 869 840 811 781 752 718 601 498 400 298 200 98 73 49 24 0
977 903 869 835 806 781 752 718 601 498 400 298 200 98 73 49 24 0
977 903 869 835 806 781 752 718 601 498 400 298 200 98 73 49 24 0

wow, those are some low force motor current values, it must have felt pretty firm.

check out the upshift pressure modifiers to, more than likey they are not changed though.

also you should return to stock, with mechanical pressure changes that come with the shift kit, you shouldent need to raise them anymore with the software.

Zick
07-27-2005, 02:08 PM
I'm curious, how much difference did the shifts feel after you got the Magnuson tune? I'm trying to find some good setup tables for my truck to replace it with. So far the one's I've used haven't worked to well for me.

ZDEN
07-27-2005, 02:35 PM
I'm curious, how much difference did the shifts feel after you got the Magnuson tune? I'm trying to find some good setup tables for my truck to replace it with. So far the one's I've used haven't worked to well for me.

i have a bin file from my '03 silvy with the shift tables set up from the pred i had before i got hpt. i liked the way it shifted with these settings so i kept them. i even used almost the same settings for my '05

ZDEN
07-27-2005, 02:39 PM
sweet i just hit my 100th post and it only took a little over 2 years!!

Mr. Sandog
07-27-2005, 02:43 PM
I'm curious, how much difference did the shifts feel after you got the Magnuson tune? I'm trying to find some good setup tables for my truck to replace it with. So far the one's I've used haven't worked to well for me.
The 1-2 shift lurches under low-to-medium throttle....can't say that I like that very much. Other than that it seems pretty good.

Zick
07-27-2005, 04:26 PM
i have a bin file from my '03 silvy with the shift tables set up from the pred i had before i got hpt. i liked the way it shifted with these settings so i kept them. i even used almost the same settings for my '05

Any chance you could email me it? :)

Zick
07-27-2005, 04:26 PM
The 1-2 shift lurches under low-to-medium throttle....can't say that I like that very much. Other than that it seems pretty good.

Good to know, thanks. :)

Mr. Sandog
07-29-2005, 12:33 AM
Found some interesting differences between the stock '04 Avalanche tune and the stock '03 Avalanche tune in Performance (Tow/Haul) mode. Wonder why they're different? :confused:

Base Shift Pressure vs. Torque vs. Gear - PERFORMANCE

STOCK '03 AVALANCHE
10 11 13 16 18 22 25 29 33 37 41 45 49 54 60 63 66 68 70 73 76 78 80 83 86 88 90 90 90 90 90 90 90
15 15 15 15 20 23 26 28 32 35 38 42 46 48 50 53 56 58 60 63 66 68 70 73 76 78 80 83 86 88 89 90 90
10 10 10 20 20 20 20 25 30 35 40 45 50 55 60 65 70 75 80 85 90 90 90 90 90 90 90 90 90 90 90 90 90
STOCK '04 AVALANCHE
6 6 8 10 13 16 20 23 26 30 33 37 40 44 48 51 54 56 59 62 64 67 69 71 73 75 76 77 78 80 83 88 90
8 8 9 10 15 18 20 23 26 29 32 35 38 40 43 46 48 50 53 56 58 60 62 64 65 67 69 71 79 82 89 90 90
10 10 10 20 20 20 20 25 30 35 40 45 50 55 60 65 70 75 80 85 90 90 90 90 90 90 90 90 90 90 90 90 90
MY TRUCK
10 11 13 16 18 22 25 29 33 37 41 45 49 54 60 63 66 68 70 73 76 85 96 96 96 96 96 96 96 96 96 96 96
15 15 15 15 20 23 26 28 32 35 38 42 46 48 50 53 56 58 60 65 75 85 96 96 96 96 96 96 96 96 96 96 96
10 10 10 20 20 20 20 25 30 35 40 45 50 55 60 65 70 75 80 85 90 90 96 96 96 96 96 96 96 96 96 96 96

02sierraz71_5.3
07-29-2005, 02:05 AM
those values look fine the shift time table is part of torqmanagment I leave some in on normal and 0 it out on performance
As far as the 1 to 2 I finally found a way to fix it dont adjust the force motor table instead there is a modifier table 1-2 upshift you will notice some negative and positive values referenced to temp play around with it add -1 across the board and see how you like it. Also the base shift pressure table you can 0 out the first couple columns that will help
On the force motor table nothing wrong with going down just dont go up. Ive messed with the last column being 0 or max value Iv found it grabs the gear better wot with it set at a max value both are supposed to be full bleed off.
Check out jimmy blues tunes that he's posted on horist his shit is extreme but works really well and will give you a base to go off Ive had good luck playing with his ls1 stuff and he really really knows his shit.

Mr. Sandog
07-31-2005, 01:17 AM
Thanks 02sierraz71_5.3.

I've found some other variances, with the TCC Apply/Release Speed vs. %TPS vs. Gear table....do I need to worry about changing these back to stock?

Mr. Sandog
07-31-2005, 01:30 AM
TCC Apply/Release Speed vs. %TPS vs. Gear - NORMAL

STOCK '03 AVALANCHE
256 256 256 256 256 256 256 256 256 256 256 256 256 256 256 256 256
27 27 27 32 38 45 52 58 75 75 75 75 75 75 76 78 78
38 38 38 38 42 47 52 58 75 75 75 75 75 75 75 75 75
256 256 256 256 256 256 256 256 256 256 256 256 256 256 256 256 256
25 25 25 25 26 30 35 40 44 48 52 58 64 70 70 70 70
36 36 36 36 36 38 44 48 54 60 68 72 72 72 72 72 72
MY TRUCK
231 231 231 231 231 231 231 231 231 231 231 231 231 231 231 231 231
52 52 52 52 52 52 52 81 81 81 81 81 81 81 81 81 81
52 52 52 52 52 52 52 81 81 81 81 81 81 81 81 81 81
221 221 221 221 221 221 221 221 221 221 221 221 221 221 221 221 221
48 48 48 48 48 48 48 48 68 68 68 68 68 68 68 68 68
48 48 48 48 48 48 48 48 68 68 68 68 68 68 68 68 68

TCC Apply/Release Speed vs. %TPS vs. Gear - CRUISE

STOCK '03 AVALANCHE
256 256 256 256 256 256 256 256 256 256 256 256 256 256 256 256 256
27 27 27 32 39 46 54 62 75 75 75 75 75 75 76 78 78
38 38 38 38 41 48 56 64 75 75 75 75 75 75 75 75 75
256 256 256 256 256 256 256 256 256 256 256 256 256 256 256 256 256
25 25 25 25 26 30 35 40 44 48 52 58 64 70 70 70 70
36 36 36 36 36 38 44 48 54 60 68 72 72 72 72 72 72
MY TRUCK
231 231 231 231 231 231 231 231 231 231 231 231 231 231 231 231 231
52 52 52 52 52 52 52 81 81 81 81 81 81 81 81 81 81
52 52 52 52 52 52 52 81 81 81 81 81 81 81 81 81 81
221 221 221 221 221 221 221 221 221 221 221 221 221 221 221 221 221
48 48 48 48 48 48 48 48 68 68 68 68 68 68 68 68 68
48 48 48 48 48 48 48 48 68 68 68 68 68 68 68 68 68

TCC Apply/Release Speed vs. %TPS vs. Gear - PERFORMANCE

STOCK '03 AVALANCHE
255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255 255
38 38 38 38 38 40 43 43 75 75 75 75 75 75 75 75 75
54 54 54 54 54 54 54 54 54 54 57 70 70 70 70 70 70
237 237 237 237 237 237 237 237 237 237 237 237 237 237 237 237 237
34 34 34 34 34 34 34 34 34 37 57 70 70 70 70 70 70
52 52 52 52 52 52 52 52 52 53 57 70 70 70 70 70 70
MY TRUCK
231 231 231 231 231 231 231 231 231 231 231 231 231 231 231 231 231
52 52 52 52 52 52 52 81 81 81 81 81 81 81 81 81 81
52 52 52 52 52 52 52 81 81 81 81 81 81 81 81 81 81
221 221 221 221 221 221 221 221 221 221 221 221 221 221 221 221 221
48 48 48 48 48 48 48 48 68 68 68 68 68 68 68 68 68
48 48 48 48 48 48 48 48 68 68 68 68 68 68 68 68 68

TCC Apply/Release Speed vs. %TPS vs. Gear - HOT

STOCK '03 AVALANCHE
256 256 256 256 256 256 256 256 256 256 256 256 256 256 256 256 256
38 38 38 38 38 38 38 38 75 75 75 75 75 75 75 75 75
60 60 60 60 60 60 60 61 63 66 72 78 255 255 255 255 255
256 256 256 256 256 256 256 256 256 256 256 256 256 256 256 256 256
35 35 35 35 35 35 35 35 35 38 50 70 70 70 70 70 70
59 59 59 59 59 59 59 60 62 66 72 77 237 237 237 237 237
MY TRUCK
231 231 231 231 231 231 231 231 231 231 231 231 231 231 231 231 231
52 52 52 52 52 52 52 81 81 81 81 81 81 81 81 81 81
52 52 52 52 52 52 52 81 81 81 81 81 81 81 81 81 81
221 221 221 221 221 221 221 221 221 221 221 221 221 221 221 221 221
48 48 48 48 48 48 48 48 68 68 68 68 68 68 68 68 68
48 48 48 48 48 48 48 48 68 68 68 68 68 68 68 68 68

joshluther
07-31-2005, 04:42 PM
Look at your Max Line Pressure under shift properties stock is 90. You were showing 96 in some of your tables. Most people on hptuners board say thats way to much. The shorter the shift time is the more firm the shift feels. Higher base shift pressures and short shift times give you a hard shift.

I have a shift kit with servo and run a slightly higher shift pressure and short shift times and have had no problems in 12K miles. I have stock max line pressure and force motor current.

02sierraz71_5.3
08-01-2005, 12:05 AM
Thanks 02sierraz71_5.3.

I've found some other variances, with the TCC Apply/Release Speed vs. %TPS vs. Gear table....do I need to worry about changing these back to stock?
honestly when the tc locks is almost a subjective matter it depends on what rpms you want to operate in. Even with the big cam I have it pulls more with it locked even under 2000 rpms low tps
this will take tinkering to get a feel for it Im still messing with it periodically

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