View Full Version : water/meth/alky injection on an NA engine


02sierraz71_5.3
07-15-2005, 12:16 AM
I was talking with Gamedawg about meth inj and he put this damn thought in my head about it and now I want one. Sitting at the track my iats climb to 100+ degrees from this damn AEM intake tube its metal (but I could use this to my advantage because it cools quickly) and the 1/8 just isnt enough for the temps to cool. Sooo

Ive been thinking I want to get a injection kit and Im gonna use the windshield washer resivior as the tank. Im assuming you want the injection as far away from the intake as possible so as to get the most cooling effect.

How should I have it actuated, I was thinking of just a toggle or window switch. I think it would be cool to have a little red toggle switch in the cab it could cool off that intake real quick while waiting on my turn or maybe just rig up a contact switch under the gas pedal thinking out loud here

Also what sort of alcohol is safe to use, where can I get methanol?

In the long run I can see this being alot cheaper and easier than 110.

What sort of gains could I expect?

Or should I just say screw it and look at No2?
this is a high compression setup.

Kano
07-15-2005, 06:50 AM
http://members.cox.net/stevemonroe/AlcoholInjMod.html

this is what I was telling you about
looks pretty interesting

I dont think the gains would be as dramatic as they would be on a FI setup
but it would
be interesting to see on a NA setup

looks like hes using some sort of vacume switch
to turn it on/off

TurboBerserker
07-15-2005, 10:29 AM
You'd probably get a lot closer to ambient IAT's with the meth kit, but you'd get more on the spray, IMO and more power.

Meth would let you crank your timing up some and give you cooler IATs, but the n2o would give you cooler IAT's and more oxygen in the cylinder, which would outweigh the extra timing easily, IMO.

F8L Z71
07-15-2005, 11:01 AM
Usually most people don't recomend it because the meth takes up room in the chamber that should be filled with air. So while your IATs may be lower you are taking in less oxygen so it becomes a wash. At least that has been the theory.

02sierraz71_5.3
07-16-2005, 01:33 AM
has anyone run this setup on an NA engine?

redaddiction
07-16-2005, 03:08 AM
Your cylinders will get cleaned off all the carbon debree.

litreddevil
07-16-2005, 06:28 PM
I was talking with Gamedawg about meth inj and he put this damn thought in my head about it and now I want one. Sitting at the track my iats climb to 100+ degrees from this damn AEM intake tube its metal (but I could use this to my advantage because it cools quickly) and the 1/8 just isnt enough for the temps to cool. Sooo

Ive been thinking I want to get a injection kit and Im gonna use the windshield washer resivior as the tank. Im assuming you want the injection as far away from the intake as possible so as to get the most cooling effect.

How should I have it actuated, I was thinking of just a toggle or window switch. I think it would be cool to have a little red toggle switch in the cab it could cool off that intake real quick while waiting on my turn or maybe just rig up a contact switch under the gas pedal thinking out loud here

Also what sort of alcohol is safe to use, where can I get methanol?

In the long run I can see this being alot cheaper and easier than 110.

What sort of gains could I expect?

Or should I just say screw it and look at No2?
this is a high compression setup.


MAN I HAVE THOUGH ABOUT THIS ALOT MYSELF.JUST NOT FOR THE IAT BECAUSE I HAVE A RESISTOR IN LINE SO IT ALL THE TIME READS 36*.I AM GOING TO TRY IT WHEN THE 6.0 IS IN AT THE TRACK JUST PUT IT IN THE TANK AND RUN IT. I HAVE HEARD SOME GOOD OUT COMES THIS WAY. :lurk:

02sierraz71_5.3
07-17-2005, 01:36 AM
I have problems currently running the timing that I want to run on 93 octane gas and I know there is more power to be had with the extra timing at part throttle and wot

has anyone setup an alky injection on an NA engine

CAMMIN03'
07-17-2005, 02:42 AM
Why do that.... Just get nitrous... Im sure youll get way more HP and it will cool just as well......

02sierraz71_5.3
07-18-2005, 06:47 PM
Why do that.... Just get nitrous... Im sure youll get way more HP and it will cool just as well......
very true
a nitrous setup is triple the price to install and more to refill the bottle, tends to damage things and cant be used on an everyday basis ie going wot several time s a day. I was looking at this as a way to boost octane and cool temps cheaply and conservatively

CAMMIN03'
07-18-2005, 07:00 PM
Thats also true..... But I was thinking more power for the money

02sierraz71_5.3
07-18-2005, 07:06 PM
Thats also true..... But I was thinking more power for the money
Im just worried about stressing my motor too much with the added compression and stock bottom end

02sierraz71_5.3
07-24-2005, 09:56 PM
MAN I HAVE THOUGH ABOUT THIS ALOT MYSELF.JUST NOT FOR THE IAT BECAUSE I HAVE A RESISTOR IN LINE SO IT ALL THE TIME READS 36*.I AM GOING TO TRY IT WHEN THE 6.0 IS IN AT THE TRACK JUST PUT IT IN THE TANK AND RUN IT. I HAVE HEARD SOME GOOD OUT COMES THIS WAY. :lurk:

what sort of percentage do you run in the tank

04Denali
07-27-2005, 10:08 AM
What is the best meth kit to use? I will put it on a supercharged vehicle
Thanks
Mark

ngianop
07-30-2005, 03:14 AM
What is the best meth kit to use? I will put it on a supercharged vehicle
Thanks
Mark

Check out some of the turbo Buick forums and perform a search on alcohol injection. There are a couple guys who sell very good (but kinda pricey) alcohol injection kits. Some Buick owners have posted instructions on how to build your own 'home grown' alcohol injection system for around $150.

Good luck.

parish8
07-30-2005, 08:41 AM
first. DO NOT ADD METH TO YOUR GAS TANK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

second. i dont think this would be a worthwhile mod on an NA set up. gains would be minimal if any. the only real gain i can see from it is the cleaning of the chamber but you can do that with some top end cleaner or nitrous.

TurboBerserker
07-30-2005, 08:58 AM
:metoo:

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