Guys i have a 4'6' drop on my RCSB. And since I have droped it the traction on this thing sucks. I can floor it and the tires will spin forever. I fliped the axle on thing I think that is where that major part of the problem comes from, but I really dont want to do anything about that since I like the drop. Have any of you guys done some tweaking to the suspension to remedy this. Have any installed any torsion bars? Do you like them. I was thinking of adding a helper spring to the top to help in strengthing the springs under a very hard acceleration whats the take on this.

should stuff like this go in the performance section?

You might as Scream, I know he has(had? havent been in the truck section in a while) a 4/6 with quite a bit of power, he probably has a solution.

What kind/size of tires are you running? Are you having trouble on the street or at the track?

I know that my low profile 20s would spin pretty easy w/ the stock 4.8. Now that the LS1 is in, 1st gear is damned near useless.

I'm going to look into CalTrac's once I get a posi and the ET Streets if it won't hook.

What kind/size of tires are you running? Are you having trouble on the street or at the track?

I know that my low profile 20s would spin pretty easy w/ the stock 4.8. Now that the LS1 is in, 1st gear is damned near useless.

I'm going to look into CalTrac's once I get a posi and the ET Streets if it won't hook.
I have so yokahama's 255 55 18 ST tires. Those things also i think do not grip very well. I was trying to find a webstite for the CALTREC suspension, where can i look up some stuff for that. What exactly is it a link suspension, torsion, springs?

go posi.

if not, go for 4WD (((((((((((((::::::::::::::::::

did anyone every move the battary to the right rear corner of the bed?

I have so yokahama's 255 55 18 ST tires. Those things also i think do not grip very well. I was trying to find a webstite for the CALTREC suspension, where can i look up some stuff for that. What exactly is it a link suspension, torsion, springs?


Yokohama's sucks Arse

I couldn't hook for shit at the track w/ mine and everyone else was hooking w/ no problems. I was pissed to say the least because it was the last day that the track was opened and it was cold as shit w/ good conditions and I couldn't even beat my best time on a warmer day. JMHO...Zed :mad:

www.calvertracing.com I think for caltracs

try some spring clamps they are only $10 bucks and the work....i have gone 1.7s 60ft with stock suspension and spring clamps

The caltracs help more with axle wrap than traction. If you are having traction problems, you need to look at your tire selection.

I have my rear dropped 6" and I put the 22's on the day after I dropped it. My traction actually improved if you ask me.

I am running Kumho Exsta's and they stick like bubble gum on your shoes.

I have my rear dropped 6" and I put the 22's on the day after I dropped it. My traction actually improved if you ask me.

I am running Kumho Exsta's and they stick like bubble gum on your shoes.


I have heard the Kumhos are good tires....Nice to see someone has them!

try some spring clamps they are only $10 bucks and the work....i have gone 1.7s 60ft with stock suspension and spring clamps

Spring Clamps?? I am trying to picture them and I cant, happen to have a picture of the them??

Yokohama's sucks Arse

I couldn't hook for shit at the track w/ mine and everyone else was hooking w/ no problems. I was pissed to say the least because it was the last day that the track was opened and it was cold as shit w/ good conditions and I couldn't even beat my best time on a warmer day. JMHO...Zed :mad:

Yeah they do suck. this is my second pair. I have noticed that when they are brand new they are kind of ok. If i spin the tires they will shreech. But after a couple of burnouts or somthing they are totally quite, meaning they are just spinning with ease. Just yesterday i rotated my tires and it is gripping a little better. But I definatly will not go with these tires ever again!!!

Spring Clamps?? I am trying to picture them and I cant, happen to have a picture of the them??

My home made ones .. :D
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v120/Mike_Sierra/WheelHopGod.jpg
Before I put thses damn things on I had an issue with axle wrap , not traction ... I had Tration issues after putting them on with my 255/70/16's , now that I have the 295/40/20's on there I can still spin them but not like before ..


before I got the Eaton Posi I could spin all the way through 3rd , Posi does wonderful things .. :D

Damn that is a good idea, I know that I have axle wrap on my thing, cuase when I floor it that thinks just sinks. I am going to try that. How thick is the steel on the clamps? I imagine the thicker the better.

My home made ones .. :D
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v120/Mike_Sierra/WheelHopGod.jpg
Before I put thses damn things on I had an issue with axle wrap , not traction ... I had Tration issues after putting them on with my 255/70/16's , now that I have the 295/40/20's on there I can still spin them but not like before ..


before I got the Eaton Posi I could spin all the way through 3rd , Posi does wonderful things .. :D


does it hurt your ride quality?

does it hurt your ride quality?

what do you think, go to bed.

what do you think, go to bed.


Cant sleep.....Smart ass.

Cant sleep.....Smart ass.

hahaha, I don't have to work tomorrow, so I will be playing in the garage.

I'm guessing it does effect the ride some as he is tie-ing the leaves together;)

hahaha, I don't have to work tomorrow, so I will be playing in the garage.

I'm guessing it does effect the ride some as he is tie-ing the leaves together;)


I was guessing the same thing....but you never know. If this solves the dreaded axle wrap/hop problems without caltracs, I am in.

it didnt change my ride at all , just doesnt have that damn wheel hop/axle wrap ..

it didnt change my ride at all , just doesnt have that damn wheel hop/axle wrap ..
Thinking about this for my 4x4 after I get the STS kit, will it change the load carrying capacity at all? Just wondering if I would have to remove them to maybe carry 1000lbs of gravel, top soil, or tow a 5000lb boat. Just wondering. Thanks.

Im not sure , If you have harden bolts I would think that they wouldnt break .. I dont haul that heavy of stuff in my truck .. :dunno:

I was guessing the same thing....but you never know. If this solves the dreaded axle wrap/hop problems without caltracs, I am in.

My 2500HD is less prone to this as the leaf pack is substantial, and have yet to experience this, however, it may become an issue in the near future.

good info on the leaf clamps :)

Did you put the clamps in front or behind the axle? Or does it matter?

Did you put the clamps in front or behind the axle? Or does it matter?I was wondering the same thing. Let us know man.

Front , back wouldnt do anything . I think it would make the axle wrap worse ..

does it hurt your ride quality?


What ride quality? He has a 4/6 drop! J/K! :)

Axle wrap is caused by the pinion gear trying to climb the ring gear. This in effect bends the leaf springs into an "S" shape. The front part of the spring bows upward, and the rear part bows down. What I don't understand is how clamping the front part helps eliminate this. The spring pack is already forced together at that point due to the torque being applied. Maybe I'm thinking about this all wrong. Either way, those clamps will work well in shortening your springs life.

Front , back wouldnt do anything . I think it would make the axle wrap worse ..

I thought it was the rears that wrapped

http://www.rockymountainsusp.com/SL_axlewrap2.jpg

I might be looking at that wrong though

nevermind, it's the fronts

Yes, if the front is to the right ----->


WTF: moregrip, where did your post go?

What ride quality? He has a 4/6 drop! J/K! :)

Axle wrap is caused by the pinion gear trying to climb the ring gear. This in effect bends the leaf springs into an "S" shape. The front part of the spring bows upward, and the rear part bows down. What I don't understand is how clamping the front part helps eliminate this. The spring pack is already forced together at that point due to the torque being applied. Maybe I'm thinking about this all wrong. Either way, those clamps will work well in shortening your springs life.


spring clamps are nothing new....... drag racers have been doing it for several years it's a good cheap mod that helps with the wheel hop and traction i put them on my truck over a year ago with no problems at all.....they will actually help save your drivetrane from hard launches .....wheel hop can brakes alot of parts .....if you have wheel hop the clamps will stop it and save your drivetrane....... very cheap insurance ....if i ran my mickey thompson et street tires (without) the clamps i would not be able to get 1.7 60ft times.....

What ride quality? He has a 4/6 drop! J/K! :)

Axle wrap is caused by the pinion gear trying to climb the ring gear. This in effect bends the leaf springs into an "S" shape. The front part of the spring bows upward, and the rear part bows down. What I don't understand is how clamping the front part helps eliminate this. The spring pack is already forced together at that point due to the torque being applied. Maybe I'm thinking about this all wrong. Either way, those clamps will work well in shortening your springs life.

How would it shorten the life of the springs??? Please explain. I would assume since one leaf spring applies a certain amount of tension another would be better. By adding great tension to the spring you are increasing the strength withing that area.

I also think Grip is right. He has a HD2500 I am sure those things come with a either more springs or greater strength within those springs. So I would think he is not prone to this.

heres a link from this site about spring clamps......talk to some of the guys here that have tryed the clamps and they will tell you that clamps work.....do some research on the clamps

http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=249201&page=3

I was bored and this is what I came up with. the quality kind of sucks. Maybe if I get even more bored I will try and prove it mathamatically!!! Damn I am bored

Yes, if the front is to the right ----->


WTF: moregrip, where did your post go?

yeah you caught me :angel:

http://www.rockymountainsusp.com/SL_axlewrap2.jpg

here it is :nod:

this section has only been here a few days and i all ready learned something. i am going to try this tomorrow.

i dont get bad wheel hop, just a slight amount. i think a smooth launch is going to keep my parts much happier.

I have heard the Kumhos are good tires....Nice to see someone has them!

Another plug for the Kumhos. :nod:

Do any of you guys drop your front sway bar at the track? I do, and it seems to help with weight transfer. I don't know how it would act with a drop though.

Another plug for the Kumhos. :nod:

Do any of you guys drop your front sway bar at the track? I do, and it seems to help with weight transfer. I don't know how it would act with a drop though.

The front or the rear? I have never droped the front, its is a pain in the ass to get on with the drop.

Oooooohhhhh. Thanks for the pics destrucktive! I wasn't aware of there being a gap between the top two and the bottom leaf. I see how closing the gap and essentially combining the springs will "strengthen" them.

Oh geez, the ideas are pooring in. Project time! Lets see if I can get my GTII's to hook. :eyes: J/K

I've never run into this, but the previous owner of my Camaro had some funky clamps on there, and when I pulled them off, one of the springs collapsed. This is why I think it might shorten the life. Although springs are supposed to be designed for 10^8 cycles, or an infinite life. Now I run split-monos on my car, so I don't need these, but nevertheless you learn something new everyday!

One of the main problems on your traction issues with a 4/6 drop could be the loss of weight transfer.

The spring clamps will help in your case.

I have been chasing traction on my 4/6 drop for a long time. I started with some pois and traction got way better but the the wheel hop issues came up. I went with the spring clamps right away. Worked great. If you clamp up the overload spring like I did the ride diffently gets stiffer which I like. But after putting the radix on the wheel hop was back. I have now put a 3/8 thick by 2 1/2 wide flat bar on the top of the front half of the spring. And for the most part wheel hop is gone. My camera is dead right now or I would put up some pics. Maybe later tonight. I think these a pretty good alterantives to cal tracs for someone on a buget. I still am looking for some traction on the street(without slicks) but finding tires for 20's that hook and fit under the truck is not a easy task. I might be headed for some wheels with back spacing enough to fit some 305 or 315 wide tires. And if the tax man treats me right I might have to try those gold plated traction bars that caliver racing sells for $320:rolleyes:

Well I decided to put on the clamps today, what they hell they are only ten bucks. But all that I have to say is damn. That thing luanches strait as an arrow. Took a couple of drives around town and getting on it all the way and no wheel hop whatsoever. As far as traction it might have helped a little bit not to sure yet, but it for sure did not hurt it at all.

Like I said at a strait stop that thing will launches strait as an arrow. You could definitly feel the rear end of the truck not drop its pretty stiff. Thanks H777 for the recomindation and sierra sport for the pics.

I have been chasing traction on my 4/6 drop for a long time. I started with some pois and traction got way better but the the wheel hop issues came up. I went with the spring clamps right away. Worked great. If you clamp up the overload spring like I did the ride diffently gets stiffer which I like. But after putting the radix on the wheel hop was back. I have now put a 3/8 thick by 2 1/2 wide flat bar on the top of the front half of the spring. And for the most part wheel hop is gone. My camera is dead right now or I would put up some pics. Maybe later tonight. I think these a pretty good alterantives to cal tracs for someone on a buget. I still am looking for some traction on the street(without slicks) but finding tires for 20's that hook and fit under the truck is not a easy task. I might be headed for some wheels with back spacing enough to fit some 305 or 315 wide tires. And if the tax man treats me right I might have to try those gold plated traction bars that caliver racing sells for $320:rolleyes:

You and I sound like a broken record. :jest:

I'm planning on doing a 305/315 section width tire on the rear as well. Be sure to post up if you get 'em done...I wanna know how to make 'em fit as well. :devil:

Im Glad I could help ... :D

I have 295/40/20 on the back of my truck and they are pretty tight when it comes to fitting ..

Im Glad I could help ... http://ls1tech.com/forums/images/smilies/LS1Tech/gr_grin.gif

I have 295/40/20 on the back of my truck and they are pretty tight when it comes to fitting ..What backspacing do you have on the rear? And are the tires close on the fender or the wheel well.We have almost the same truck down to the wheels http://ls1tech.com/forums/images/smilies/LS1Tech/gr_pimp.gif
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Great minds think alike!!!http://ls1tech.com/forums/images/smilies/LS1Tech/gr_chug.gif

I have 2 sets of the spring clamps on mine. It really helped me out, when I nail the gas it just launches off. I did have a problem with wheel hop before but its gone now. I actually think it improved the ride on mine, I didn't have to slow down as much in all of the usual rough spots and over railroad tracks after installing them.

What backspacing do you have on the rear? And are the tires close on the fender or the wheel well.We have almost the same truck down to the wheels http://ls1tech.com/forums/images/smilies/LS1Tech/gr_pimp.gif
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/lonechev/tech.jpg
Great minds think alike!!!http://ls1tech.com/forums/images/smilies/LS1Tech/gr_chug.gif


The Back spacing is 5.5 , it is the same either way .. If I hit a hard bump it rubs the outer wheel well , but i beat my inner wheel well bigger to make it not rub at all on the inside in hard turns ..


Nice Truck .. :cool: